Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[John Corbett]

First of all you need to get the basic medical facts straight.  JBC was shot in the back of the right armpit just to the right of his right scapula.

That means he was shot in the back. He got shot when his back was turned toward the exit wound in JFK's throat.

The bullet struck the fifth rib and made a tunnelling path along a few cm of rib without damaging the surrounding muscle before passing through and destroying the last 10 cm of the fifth rib before exiting just medial to and below the right nipple.  The bullet exited through the right jacket pocket.

Which wouldn't have been possible if he was facing JFK and Oswald as he was in Z271. I'm not surprised you have resisted illustrating that since it is not possible.

So the idea that he was hit in the back is not quite correct.

JBC said it felt like someone had punched him IN THE BACK with a doubled up fist. We know how much you rely on witnesses.

 He was actually hit in the right armpit.

Not according to JBC.

There is no difficulty for a bullet entering the back of the right armpit at z271. You seem to think that Connally's back had to be facing Oswald. This is incorrect.  The bullet just had to impact him in the right armpit immediately right of the edge of the scapula.

Now you are just twisting facts. But just to humor you, show us how JBC could be shot in the armpit at Z271 and have the bullet exit below his right nipple.

Since you want to use ellipses and circles to show complex anatomy, why don't you show us how you think JBC is positioned at z271.  I have already shown you my detailed graphic which has his shoulders turned to align with the car direction. You seem to have difficulty seeing that so why don't you show what you think JBC's position was there?

You showed me something that looked like a Picasso painting. It's your claim that JBC was shot at Z271. Don't put the burden of proof on me to disprove your silly claim. You've been challenged over and over again to illustrate how your claim is even possible. You have failed to ever do so. That makes it very easy to dismiss your claim as FUBAR.

[Andrew Mason]

That means he was shot in the back. He got shot when his back was turned toward the exit wound in JFK's throat.Which wouldn't have been possible if he was facing JFK and Oswald as he was in Z271. I'm not surprised you have resisted illustrating that since it is not possible.
JBC said it felt like someone had punched him IN THE BACK with a doubled up fist. We know how much you rely on witnesses.

You seem to have an odd concept of human anatomy.

The direction his face was facing is not material. What matters is that the back of the right armpit was "facing" Oswald at z271.

His back was twisted.  The lowest part was "facing" the back seat and shoulders were aligned with the car direction and "facing" sideways.  The parts in between were in between those directions.

[John Corbett]

You seem to have an odd concept of human anatomy.

The direction his face was facing is not material. What matters is that the back of the right armpit was "facing" Oswald at z271.

You tell me I have an odd concept of human anatomy and then make a statement as ridiculous as that. Here is Z271.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z271.jpg
The back of his armpit is turned toward the grassy area between Elm and Main. It would require the most magical of all magic bullets for a shot fired from the sniper's nest to enter the back of his right armpit and exit under his right nipple. Your continued refusal to even attempt to diagram such a shot is tacit admission of that fact.

His back was twisted.  The lowest part was "facing" the back seat and shoulders were aligned with the car direction and "facing" sideways.  The parts in between were in between those directions.

You're bonkers.

[Andrew Mason]

You tell me I have an odd concept of human anatomy and then make a statement as ridiculous as that. Here is Z271.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z271.jpg

You do realize that at z271 JBC's right side is "facing" toward the TSBD/Oswald.  I hope you realize that the right armpit is on the right side and that with his right arm up and in front of his chest the right armpit is exposed to a shot from the direction of the TSBD/Oswald.  The right scapula is not "facing" the TSBD/Oswald although the right edge of it is exposed to a shot from that direction. It is "facing" the grassy area between Elm and Main.  In any event, he was not hit in the scapula.

The back of his armpit is turned toward the grassy area between Elm and Main.

I am not sure what you mean by the direction the back of his armpit is facing.  The back of his armpit is a particular location.  It doesn't face anywhere. What matters is whether the back of his armpit was exposed to a shot from Oswald's rifle.  Not only was the back of his armpit exposed = the entire armpit was exposed.  If you think it wasn't, what on earth could have blocked it?

It would require the most magical of all magic bullets for a shot fired from the sniper's nest to enter the back of his right armpit and exit under his right nipple. Your continued refusal to even attempt to diagram such a shot is tacit admission of that fact.You're bonkers.

I have given you the diagram showing the exit location.  What more do you need?  It shows the bullet coming from the TSBD/Oswald direction. It shows the direction of the shoulders. It shows the location of the entrance and exit wounds. It shows the location of the forearm in relation to the exit wound.

[John Corbett]

You do realized that at z271 JBC's right side is "facing" toward the TSBD/Oswald.

Yes it is which makes a shot into his back impossible at that frame.

I hope you realize that the right armpit is on the right side and that with his right arm up and in front of his chest the right armpit is exposed to a shot from the direction of the TSBD/Oswald.

The front of his right armpit is exposed to Oswald. That's not where the bullet entered. The bullet entered at the rear near his right armpit. That is turned away from Oswald.

 
The right scapula is not "facing" the TSBD/Oswald although the right edge of it is exposed to a shot from that direction. It is "facing" the grassy area between Elm and Main.  In any event, he was not hit in the scapula.

When's the last time you had your eyes checked?

The back of his armpit is turned toward the grassy area between Elm and Main.
I am not sure what you mean by the direction the back of his armpit is facing.  The back of his armpit is a particular location.

So now you want to quibble about semantics. OK. I can play that game. The back of his right armpit is EXPOSED to the grassy area between Elm and Main. It is not even close to being exposed to Oswald's gun. At Z271 JFK was leaning hard left from the position he was in at the time he was shot. That would mean any shot by Oswald directed at JBC would come over JFK's right shoulder. There's no way a bullet on that trajectory is going to enter his back near his armpit.

 
It doesn't face anywhere. What matters is whether the back of his armpit was exposed to a shot from Oswald's rifle.

It doesn't. Not even close. JBC's torso would have to rotate at least 90 degrees counter clockwise to make an entry in his back near his armpit possible.

 
Not only was the back of his armpit exposed = the entire armpit was exposed.

Both sides of that equation are ludicrous.

 
If you think it wasn't, what on earth could have blocked it?

The FRONT of JBC's torso. That is what is exposed to Oswald. He could have hit the outside of JBC's right arm with a grazing shot. No way to enter anywhere on JBC's back. Why do you keep lying to yourself by telling yourself that could have happened.

I have given you the diagram showing the exit location. 

The exit location has never been in dispute. It is how an entrance wound in the BACK of JBC's could have been made by a shot from the sniper's next at Z271. That is the impossibility.

What more do you need?  It shows the bullet coming from the TSBD/Oswald direction. It shows the direction of the shoulders. It shows the location of the entrance and exit wounds. It shows the location of the forearm in relation to the exit wound.

I don't know which diagram you are referring to. The one that looks like an abstract art painting or the earlier one in which you have JBC rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise from his actual position at Z271 and even then you needed a magical deflection of the shot to have it come out the right side of JBC's chest.

[Andrew Mason]

The FRONT of JBC's torso. That is what is exposed to Oswald. He could have hit the outside of JBC's right arm with a grazing shot. No way to enter anywhere on JBC's back. Why do you keep lying to yourself by telling yourself that could have happened.

Here is a rough 3D Sketchup drawing of the position of the two men from the front and the side showing the location of the TSBD:



Here is the model built on the Trask map of DP:



You will have to explain why you think JBC's front is facing the SN.

[John Corbett]

Here is a rough 3D Sketchup drawing of the position of the two men from the front and the side showing the location of the TSBD:



Here is the model built on the Trask map of DP:



You will have to explain why you think JBC's front is facing the SN.

Well, at least you tried. Finally.

You don't have JBC's shoulders turned even close to how they were at Z271. The middle sketch approximates Zapruder's perspective but in reality, Zapruder was still slightly ahead of the limo at Z271. From Zapruder's position, JBC's shoulders were rotated clockwise away from Zapruder. You have his shoulders rotated counterclockwise from square to Zapruder. You have his head rotated more than his shoulders were turned. The only person I ever saw able to do that was Linda Blair in The Exorcist. Unpossessed people can't do that. JBC's head turn is close enough to being accurate but you aren't showing his shoulders turned nearly enough. You would need to turn his shoulders a good 30 degrees clockwise to even be in the ballpark.

At the very least, a line through JBC's shoulders were parallel to the sides of the car. Oswald was firing from a position to the right rear of the limo. He would have no angle to shoot JBC anywhere in his back. Even if we give you the benefit of the doubt on all estimates of JBC's shoulder turn. Oswald would have seen the front of JBC's torso, not the back. Even with the erroneous position of JBC's shoulders, your middle drawing shows that if the line of the bullet were to continue, it would exit from the left side of JBC's chest, not the right. You can't make this work, no matter how hard you try.