Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

You continue to avoid the elephant in the room. Your theory is impossible due to JBC's position at Z271. Since you can't illustrate how JBC could be shot in the back while facing Oswald, nothing else matters. If you can't do that, and it's obvious you can't, there's no point in discussing any other aspect of your FUBAR theory. I don't even bother to read what you post anymore.

His chest wasn't facing Oswald.  His head was turned about 90 degrees to this shoulders and his shoulders were turned 90 degrees to the car forward direction.  His chest was turned sideways in the car, not backward.  When the shoulders turn the shoulder blade or scapula moves back exposing more of the armpit, which is where JBC was struck. There is no problem with a bullet going from just right of the right edge of the right scapula and striking the fifth rib, deflecting right and exiting under the right nipple, which was right of the entry wound with him turned as he was at z271. 

[John Corbett]

He wasn't facing Oswald.  His head was turned about 90 degrees to this shoulders and his shoulders were turned 90 degrees to the car forward direction.  He was turned sideways in the car, not backward.  When the shoulders turn the shoulder blade or scapula moves back exposing more of the armpit, which is where JBC was struck. There is no problem with a bullet going from just right of the right edge of the right scapula and striking the fifth rib, deflecting right a bit and exiting under the right nipple.

Why don't you illustrate? Oh, wait. You can't. Never mind.

[Andrew Mason]

Why don't you illustrate? Oh, wait. You can't. Never mind.

I have tried to find a cross section of the human torso with the hips facing forward and the shoulders turned 90 degrees.  This should give you the general idea:

[John Corbett]

I have tried to find a cross section of the human torso with the hips facing forward and the shoulders turned 90 degrees.  This should give you the general idea:

I ask for an illustration and you give me abstract art.

How about just a basic drawing using simple ovals to represent JBC's head and shoulders. Use a long oval for his shoulders and a short oval for his head and show us how you think his head and shoulders were turned in relation to the path of the bullet. Then we can compare that to Z271 to see if it is even close to JBC's position at that frame. Your last illustrations was only off about 90 degrees for both his head and shoulders.

[Andrew Mason]

I ask for an illustration and you give me abstract art.

How about just a basic drawing using simple ovals to represent JBC's head and shoulders. Use a long oval for his shoulders and a short oval for his head and show us how you think his head and shoulders were turned in relation to the path of the bullet. Then we can compare that to Z271 to see if it is even close to JBC's position at that frame. Your last illustrations was only off about 90 degrees for both his head and shoulders.

Unfortunately, the human body is more complicated than ellipses and circles. The relative positions of shoulders, scapulas, ribs and skin changes with different turning positions.  What I presented was a twisted torso with the shoulders aligned with the car direction and the hips facing forward.  That was his position at z271.

The impact felt by JBC is consistent with significant bullet momentum being imparted to the body suddenly. That is consistent with a forceful impact to what could only have been the fifth rib. We know the fifth rib flexed enough to cause a fracture near the spine.  That same force is also applied by the rib to the bullet and that must cause a change in bullet momentum.  Regardless of how JBC was turned, that would have been a force on the left side of the bullet meaning the change in direction had to be to the right. That would be the case whether he was turned forward or, as the witnesses said, sideways.

[John Corbett]

Unfortunately, the human body is more complicated than ellipses and circles. The relative positions of shoulders, scapulas, ribs and skin changes with different turning positions.  What I presented was a twisted torso with the shoulders aligned with the car direction and the hips facing forward.  That was his position at z271.

The impact felt by JBC is consistent with significant bullet momentum being imparted to the body suddenly. That is consistent with a forceful impact to what could only have been the fifth rib. We know the fifth rib flexed enough to cause a fracture near the spine.  That same force is also applied by the rib to the bullet and that must cause a change in bullet momentum.  Regardless of how JBC was turned, that would have been a force on the left side of the bullet meaning the change in direction had to be to the right. That would be the case whether he was turned forward or, as the witnesses said, sideways.

Many people have used ovals to show both head rotation and shoulder rotation and the relation of the head to the shoulders. You can't present an illustration in any form that will show JBC turned as he was in Z271 that would have allowed Oswald to shoot him in the back so you continue to try to bluff your way through. The shot you claim is simply impossible and we both know it and only one of us is willing to say it.

[Andrew Mason]

Many people have used ovals to show both head rotation and shoulder rotation and the relation of the head to the shoulders. You can't present an illustration in any form that will show JBC turned as he was in Z271 that would have allowed Oswald to shoot him in the back so you continue to try to bluff your way through. The shot you claim is simply impossible and we both know it and only one of us is willing to say it.

First of all you need to get the basic medical facts straight.  JBC was shot in the back of the right armpit just to the right of his right scapula. The bullet struck the fifth rib and made a tunnelling path along a few cm of rib without damaging the surrounding muscle before passing through and destroying the last 10 cm of the fifth rib before exiting just medial to and below the right nipple.  The bullet exited through the right jacket pocket.

So the idea that he was hit in the back is not quite correct. He was actually hit in the right armpit. There is no difficulty for a bullet entering the back of the right armpit at z271. You seem to think that Connally's back had to be facing Oswald. This is incorrect.  The bullet just had to impact him in the right armpit immediately right of the edge of the scapula.

Since you want to use ellipses and circles to show complex anatomy, why don't you show us how you think JBC is positioned at z271.  I have already shown you my detailed graphic which has his shoulders turned to align with the car direction. You seem to have difficulty seeing that so why don't you show what you think JBC's position was there?