Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Tom Graves]

Patricia Ann Donaldson said that the limo had just straightened out on Elm Street and that the last two of the three shots were fired very close together. (paraphrased)

Given the nature of the beast (Dealey Plaza created different echoes in different places; people were affected differently by the trauma and chaos they experienced), very few witnesses to the assassination got everything right.

Donaldson at least got the position of the limo basically correct, and from where she was standing, she probably did hear two very close-together echoes.

[Andrew Mason]

Given the nature of the beast (Dealey Plaza created different echoes in different places; people were affected differently by the trauma and chaos they experienced), very few witnesses to the assassination got everything right.

No one said there were distinct echoes.  There were too many different surfaces reflecting sound so the rifle shots sound would have reverberated, probably for more than a second before the reflections died out.

Donaldson at least got the position of the limo basically correct, and from where she was standing, she probably did hear two very close-together echoes.

The car was placed there by Holland.  In the film, she was not asked where she was standing.  We know she wasn’t standing anywhere near there.  So I am not sure how you conclude that she got the position of the car at the time of the first shot right..

[Tom Graves]

No one said there were distinct echoes.

How else are we to explain why several witnesses reported hearing four or more shots, and why so many people disagreed about where they had come from?

We know Lawrence / Donaldson wasn’t standing anywhere near where she was in "The Lost Bullet."

Regardless, she was standing about 30 feet away -- in the street in front of the TSBD entrance -- and had an excellent view down Elm Street.

So, I am not sure how you conclude that she got the position of the limo at the time of the first shot right.

I said basically right, i.e., that the limo had, shortly before the first shot, straightened out on Elm Street.

[Andrew Mason]

How else are we to explain why several witnesses reported hearing four or more shots, and why so many people disagreed about where they had come from?

Maybe they weren’t counting.  There were only four witnesses who thought there were four shots, according to the HSCA compilation of 178 witnesses.. And they weren’t very convincing. For example there is Robert Edwards (6 H 205):

Mr. BELIN. How many shots did you hear, if you remember?
Mr. EDWARDS. Well, I heard one more then than was fired, I believe.
Mr. BELIN. You mean you said on the affidavit you heard four shots?
Mr. EDWARDS. I still right now don’t know how many was fired. If I said four, then I thought I heard four.

 In his affidavit sworn Nov. 22, 1963, 24 H 207, Edwards said he thought there were four shots. In his a December 2, 1963 interview with the FBI he is reported to have said he heard three or four shots. He was standing with his friend Robert Fischer who heard only three shots.

Regardless, she was standing about 30 feet away -- in the street in front of the TSBD entrance -- and had an excellent view down Elm Street.

She was standing with Mary Woodward just east of the Thornton sign.  She was nowhere near the front entrance to the TSBD.