The Brown Paper Bag

[Zeon Mason]

Didn’t Linnie May Randle say she saw Oswald gripping the package at the TOP as he was carrying it? So if it’s an 8 lbs rifle, that is a forceful grip  which should have left a whole palm print  at the TOP of the bag.

Instead there only a palm print in the middle of the bag. Maybe it could be argued that if there was a print at the top of bag that it evaporated because of  longer time of 3 hours from when Oswald had carried the bag into the adjacent loading dock building at 8:30 am and left it somewhere hidden until about 11:45 when the workers on 6th floor took the lunchbreak.

So then the middle of the bag print would be explained by:

A. Oswald,  incredibly stupid ( or doesn’t care?)  transported  the rifle still in the bag with his bare hands to the 6th floor SE window at 12:23 ( just after Bonnie Ray Williams had left the 6th floor)  and  Oswald had only about 2minutes to arrange the box on the window ledge just before 12:25 when Bronson film starts. So hastily conceived plan= lots of stupid mistakes.

Note here: it is not likely that  Oswald could have placed the box in the window ledge earlier than 12:23 because Bonnie Ray Williams was on the 6th floor from about 12:05-12:23 and workers were on the 6th floor from 9:00-11:45am. ( also Arnold Rowland saw a black man  in the SE window at 12:15 which  most probably was BR Williams.)

B. Oswald was stupid/ doesn’t care, so he touches the bag, the  rifle and the boxes with bare hands rather than wearing  gloves.

C: Oswald stupid/ careless, left the bag which he had just touched with his bare hands at the SN and even took time to fold it back up?
 
IDK what Oswald’s  state of mind was after he was rejected by Marina on Tuesday night but if he was manic depressive or a bipolar personality it’s possible that a combination of anger and hopelessness could explain really stupid mistakes in handling rifle, bag and boxes with bare hands.

And if Oswald was a schizophrenic, there’s the possibility that A. Hidell was the alternate more agitated Oswald. It may be time to dig up the body and see if modern science can determine anything.

[John Corbett]

It seems really stupid to disassemble a rifle to lessen the length by only 2 inches.

The assembled rifle was 40.1 inches long. Disassembled, the longest piece was the wood stock which was 34.8 inches. The bag was 38 inches, so if he hadn't disassembled the rifle, 2 inches of the barrel would have been sticking out the top of the bag. By disassembling the rifle, Oswald saved 6.3 inches.

It should be noted that the ad Oswald responded to was for a 36 inch Carcano carbine. By the time Klein's received the ad, they had sold out of the carbines so they substituted a Model 91 short rifle which was 40.1 inches long. We can't know for sure, but Oswald might have assembled the bag believing the rifle 36 inches long which would explain why he only made the bag 38 inches long. If that is the case, it must have been a rude surprise for him when he saw 2 inches of the rifle sticking out of the top. I'll bet he was pissed. At that point he had to make do with the bag he had made and he had no choice but to disassemble it so it could fit in the bag.

[Michael Capasse]

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right.



There is no reason to believe the rifle was ever broken down and put into that bag.

[John Corbett]

Didn’t Linnie May Randle say she saw Oswald gripping the package at the TOP as he was carrying it? So if it’s an 8 lbs rifle, that is a forceful grip  which should have left a whole palm print  at the TOP of the bag.

Instead there only a palm print in the middle of the bag. Maybe it could be argued that if there was a print at the top of bag that it evaporated because of  longer time of 3 hours from when Oswald had carried the bag into the adjacent loading dock building at 8:30 am and left it somewhere hidden until about 11:45 when the workers on 6th floor took the lunchbreak.

So then the middle of the bag print would be explained by:

A. Oswald,  incredibly stupid ( or doesn’t care?)  transported  the rifle still in the bag with his bare hands to the 6th floor SE window at 12:23 ( just after Bonnie Ray Williams had left the 6th floor)  and  Oswald had only about 2minutes to arrange the box on the window ledge just before 12:25 when Bronson film starts. So hastily conceived plan= lots of stupid mistakes.

Note here: it is not likely that  Oswald could have placed the box in the window ledge earlier than 12:23 because Bonnie Ray Williams was on the 6th floor from about 12:05-12:23 and workers were on the 6th floor from 9:00-11:45am. ( also Arnold Rowland saw a black man  in the SE window at 12:15 which  most probably was BR Williams.)

B. Oswald was stupid/ doesn’t care, so he touches the bag, the  rifle and the boxes with bare hands rather than wearing  gloves.

C: Oswald stupid/ careless, left the bag which he had just touched with his bare hands at the SN and even took time to fold it back up?
 
IDK what Oswald’s  state of mind was after he was rejected by Marina on Tuesday night but if he was manic depressive or a bipolar personality it’s possible that a combination of anger and hopelessness could explain really stupid mistakes in handling rifle, bag and boxes with bare hands.

And if Oswald was a schizophrenic, there’s the possibility that A. Hidell was the alternate more agitated Oswald. It may be time to dig up the body and see if modern science can determine anything.

Any theories about Oswald's state of mind or his thought process is pure speculation. We can never know what Oswald was thinking at any given time. It is my belief that he didn't expect to get away with the crime. He didn't think he was going to get away with it had he succeeded in killing General Walker so I doubt he had any expectation of getting away with the JFKA. As already stated, that's pure speculation.

[John Corbett]

Mr. BALL - When you cupped the bottom of your package in the hands, will you stand up, again, please,
and the upper part of the package is not under the armpit, the top of the package extends almost up to the level of your ear.

Mr. FRAZIER - Right.



There is no reason to believe the rifle was ever broken down and put into that bag.

How about Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel. That could only have been placed there with the rifle disassembled. The we have the fibers in the bag that matched the blanket Oswald stored his rifle in when it was in Paine's garage. That ties the rifle to the bag and the bag could only hold a disassembled rifle without sticking out the top of the bag.

As previously noted, you are really, really bad at weighing evidence. That being the case, this hobby doesn't seem to suit you. Maybe you should consider stamp collecting as an alternative.

[John Mytton]

and the bag didn't go to Washington

  Educate me? - You'll need to learn some basic facts first

 

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Cadigan, can you state your full name and position?
Mr. CADIGAN. James C. Cadigan, special agent of the FBI, assigned as an examiner of questioned documents in the laboratory here in Washington.
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Mr. EISENBERG. Can you tell us how you conducted that examination?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes.
I first saw this paper bag on November 23, 1963, in the FBI laboratory, along with the sample of paper and tape from the Texas School Book Depository obtained November 22, 1963, which is FBI Exhibit D-1.



JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

How about Oswald's palm print on the underside of the barrel. That could only have been placed there with the rifle disassembled.

Showed up after Lee was dead. FBI found no prints or sign of DPD having looked there for prints

The we have the fibers in the bag that matched the blanket Oswald stored his rifle in when it was in Paine's garage.

Fibers are only similar.

That ties the rifle to the bag and the bag could only hold a disassembled rifle without sticking out the top of the bag.

The rifle is TOO long to fit under his arm
How can BWF not see the bag rise above his shoulder while walking ahead of him?