The Brown Paper Bag

[Martin Weidmann]

You haven't figured out yet that if someone other than Oswald killed JFK, an awful lot of bad guys would have been required for the fabricating and planting of all of the evidence that "only seems" to implicate Oswald.

Actually, you need to improve your reading skills. I've already said that if Oswald did not kill Kennedy the most likely alternative is that there was indeed a conspiracy.

Now, I don't care about how many people you think must have been involved in such a conspiracy, because  AND GET THIS PLEASE: If there was in fact a conspiracy, I couldn't care less. It simply doesn't interest me.

All I am interested in is finding out if there is sufficient conclusive evidence to demonstrate that Oswald did it and acted alone. I've been asking for such evidence for years and not one LN clown has been able to present such evidence or even to defend their conclusions in a normal discussion. Instead, all guys like you is whine about the alternative being a conspiracy.

Let's try this; show me the most important (in your opinion) piece of evidence and try to convince me how it ties in with other evidence and how it shows Oswald must be guilty. Can you do that?

[John Mytton]

And you think you know what I believe? Amazing!

You believe that the revolver that killed Tippit was swapped because Police lied.

No I don't believe that.

You believe that the shells at the Tippit crime scene were planted.

Never said anything like that

You believe that the Tippit eyewitnesses who ID'd Oswald all lied.

Never claimed that. I actually believe that eyewitness testimony is the worst kind of evidence and that the DPD line ups were clearly rigged

You believe that Oswald's jacket was planted under a car.

No I don't. There is no proof or guarantee that the jacked found under a car was in fact Oswald's jacket

You believe that Lt. Day lied about the Palm print.

That's true.. I do indeed believe that

You believe that Kleins lied about the rifle paperwork.

Nope. I actually believe the Klein's paperwork is authentic.

You believe that the FBI lied about seeing Waldman7 on the Kleins microfilm

No. I believe that it is highly questionable that the FBI took the Klein's microfilm, which subsequently disappeared and they never produced a chain of custody for it.
Nobody knows for sure what happened to that microfilm.

You believe that the people at the Oswald interrogations lied.

No, I believe they contradicted themselves in their reports and displayed massive incompetence for not recording the interviews and not producing reports for several days after the fact and after Oswald was already dead

You believe that the rifle wasn't taken to the TSBD by Oswald therefore it was planted.

Why should I believe that a rifle was taken to the TSBD by Oswald when there is not a shred of evidence that puts a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage on 11/22/63

You believe that the bullet fragments in the Limo were planted.

No, I believe the crime scene was contaminated when it was "searched" before Frazier and his men could examine the car.

You believe that CE399 was planted.

No I don't. I actually don't believe that CE399 ever was at Parkland Hospital

You believe that multiple police lied about seeing the bag in the sniper's nest.

Well, other officers said that it wasn't there, so were they lying? Or do you only believe those who say what you want to hear?

You believe that the bag wasn't made by Oswald therefore someone else made it.

I have no idea who made the bag. Can you prove he made it or can you even show that Oswald was near the packaging area on Thursday afternoon?

You believe that the revolver at the Texas Theatre wasn't Oswald's revolver because the Police lied.

Why would I have to believe that the revolver placed into evidence was in fact Oswald's revolver, when the DPD failed to produce a solid chain of custody for it?

You believe that Marina just saw a piece of wood wrapped in the blanket.

Read her testimony. That's what she said.... she saw the wooden stock of a rifle, some six weeks prior to the assassination.

You believe that someone made Oswald pose with the Kennedy murder weapon some eight months before the assassination.

No, I don't believe that, at least not with any kind of certainty. It's merely a possibility that you don't like.

You believe that Bledsoe lied about seeing Oswald on the bus.

No, I believe that Bledsoe was an unreliable witness

You believe that the bus transfer was planted on Oswald.

Where did I say that?

You believe that revolver bullets were planted on Oswald.

Do I? How the hell would I be able to make such a determination when (just like you) I wasn't there.

You believe that Oswald didn't travel to his rooming house by way of Whaley's cab.

Where did I ever say that?

You believe that the Hidell ID was faked.

Really? If i remember correctly, Oswald already used the Hidell name in New Orleans, so he could indeed have made that ID. I just don't know if he did or not and neither do you.

You believe that the negatives for the Hidell ID was planted at the Paine's.

I don't think I've ever said anything about that.


The problem with idiots like you is that you have to make up stuff like what's above so you have something to counter, rather than having to present actual evidence to support your own pathetic theories.

You're old news, Mytton, a broken down record playing the same BS stuff over and over again because you completely lack persuasive arguments and conclusive evidence to back it up.

Thanks Martin, you have provided enough evidence to call you a bona fide Conspiracy Theorist! Congrats!

JohnM

[Tom Graves]

Actually, you need to improve your reading skills. I've already said that if Oswald did not kill Kennedy the most likely alternative is that there was indeed a conspiracy.

Now, I don't care about how many people you think must have been involved in such a conspiracy, because  AND GET THIS PLEASE: If there was in fact a conspiracy, I couldn't care less. It simply doesn't interest me.

All I am interested in is finding out if there is sufficient conclusive evidence to demonstrate that Oswald did it and acted alone. I've been asking for such evidence for years and not one LN clown has been able to present such evidence or even to defend their conclusions in a normal discussion. Instead, all guys like you is whine about the alternative being a conspiracy.

Let's try this; show me the most important (in your opinion) piece of evidence and try to convince me how it ties in with other evidence and how it shows Oswald must be guilty. Can you do that?

It doesn't "interest you" because you can't deal with the ramifications, i.e., an implausibly large number of bad guys must have "patsied" Oswald and framed him with false evidence.

You poor thing, you.

[Martin Weidmann]

WOW, you make up a brief self serving scenario and leave out a ton of detail, detail that in reality a prosecution would present, evidence that would convict Oswald. Pathetic!

1. Oswald took what looked to be a heavy looking long brown paper package to work.
2. Oswald lied about taking a long brown paper package to work.
3. Oswald put the unwieldly long brown paper package on the back seat of Frazier's car.
4. Oswald lied about putting his brown paper package on the back seat of Frazier's car.
5. Oswald's prints were on the brown paper package.
6. Oswald's rifle was on the 6th floor.
7. Oswald prints were on the rifle on the 6th floor.
8. Oswald's "fresh" prints were on the recently moved sniper's nest rifle rest box.
9. Oswald's prints were on the top box orientated down Elm street, the location Kennedy was when struck.
10. Oswald fled the building immediately and therefore was in flight from the scene of his crime.
11. Oswald got on and off a bus within a couple of minutes, another example of flight.
12. Oswald got a cab and got out way past his rooming house.
13. Oswald killed a cop, why on Earth would an innocent Oswald need to kill a cop?
14. Oswald when arrested tried to kill more cops, a innocent man has no need to kill a cop.
15. Oswald lied about owning a rifle. Consciousness of guilt
16. Oswald lied about living on Neely Street. Place of incriminating photographic evidence
17. Oswald lied about authenticated backyard photos which show him holding the murder weapon.

So Mr Defence how do you refute this tiny slice of the MOUNTAIN of Evidence?? Or will you go back to your conspiracy theorist roots and say everyone lied! LOL!

Like I said you haven't got a clue!



JohnM

1. Oswald took what looked to be a heavy looking long brown paper package to work.

Oswald took a paper bag to work. Just how "heavy looking long" was never determined or proven

2. Oswald lied about taking a long brown paper package to work.

Depends on what Oswald considered to be a "long paper package". Why didn't they show the actual 6th floor bag to him?

3. Oswald put the unwieldly long brown paper package on the back seat of Frazier's car.

Do you think that you keep using the term "long brown paper package" makes your argument less pathetic?

4. Oswald lied about putting his brown paper package on the back seat of Frazier's car.

Really? Where exactly did he say that?

5. Oswald's prints were on the brown paper package.

Even if there was a print from Oswald on that bag, what does that prove? The bag was made from TSBD materials and was found at the TSBD at a place where Oswald worked.

6. Oswald's rifle was on the 6th floor.

"Oswald's rifle" LOL

7. Oswald prints were on the rifle on the 6th floor.

The FBI examined the rifle in the night following the assassination and found no prints

8. Oswald's "fresh" prints were on the recently moved sniper's nest rifle rest box.
9. Oswald's prints were on the top box orientated down Elm street, the location Kennedy was when struck.

Oh well, you've got me there. He must be guilty, right? But wait... where was Oswald working that morning? And his job was moving boxes, right..... 

10. Oswald fled the building immediately and therefore was in flight from the scene of his crime.
11. Oswald got on and off a bus within a couple of minutes, another example of flight.
12. Oswald got a cab and got out way past his rooming house.

If true (nobody saw him leave, right?), how does this prove that he went to Irving to collect a rifle from Ruth Paine's garage?

13. Oswald killed a cop, why on Earth would an innocent Oswald need to kill a cop?

Why would Oswald even be at 10th and Patton if he was on the run. And claiming he killed a cop is just that: a claim.

14. Oswald when arrested tried to kill more cops, a innocent man has no need to kill a cop.

So, now you know his mindset when he was arrested at the Texas Theater

15. Oswald lied about owning a rifle. Consciousness of guilt

Unless he did not own a rifle to begin with

16. Oswald lied about living on Neely Street. Place of incriminating photographic evidence

Did he? But if he did, perhaps he understood by then that he was being set up.
Did you ever find out how the FBI was able to show a BY photo to Michael Paine on Friday evening to find out where the photo was taken, when the BY photos were not found until Saturday afternoon? And how did Fritz manage to show Oswald a blow up of a BY photo on Saturday morning?

17. Oswald lied about authenticated backyard photos which show him holding the murder weapon.

There is nothing authenticated about the BY photos. All you have is opinions...

Obviously, nothing of any of this provides support for the claim that Oswald went to Irving to collect a rifle from the Paine garage, took that rifle to the TSBD in a bag that was too small for the rifle to find in (a bag that is disputed by the main witness who actually saw it) and used that rifle to shoot Kennedy.

So Mr Defence how do you refute this tiny slice of the MOUNTAIN of Evidence?? Or will you go back to your conspiracy theorist roots and say everyone lied! LOL!

Where exactly is that so-called "Mountain of Evidence"?

Like I said you haven't got a clue!



Any idiot who thinks that a jury will only get the prosecution side to consider and come up with a "beyond reasonable doubt" conclusion, is just that: An idiot!

[Tom Graves]

I've already said that if Oswald did not kill Kennedy, the most likely alternative is that there was indeed a conspiracy.

The most likely alternative?

LOL!

If Oswald didn't kill JFK, what alternative is there other than a conspiracy -- a conspiracy that intentionally implicated Oswald in the assassination of JFK?

[Martin Weidmann]

Thanks Martin, you have provided enough evidence to call you a bona fide Conspiracy Theorist! Congrats!

JohnM

An idiot makes bogus and pathetic claims that are instantly proven wrong and he concludes from the fact that he has been shown to be a fool, what he wants to conclude. Typicall LN idiotic madness.

Unable to make a coherent argument and when proven wrong, just call the other a "conspiracy theorist". Basically what little Johnny and his LN play buddies are saying is that anybody who doesn't instantly agree with their opinion is a conspiracy theorist. That's how pathetic they truly are!

[Martin Weidmann]

It doesn't "interest you" because you can't deal with the ramifications, i.e., an implausibly large number of bad guys must have "patsied" Oswald and framed him with false evidence.

You poor thing, you.

Why would I have to deal with the ramifications? It's pointless exercise to dive into the possible conspiracy scenarios and I am just not interested in that.

When Kennedy was killed I was in my early teens. I've never known any of the major players and for the first 40 or even 50 years of my life I couldn't care less.

What I don't understand is why you and some other LNs are so desperate to paint me a conspiracy theorist when all I am asking for is the evidence that actually shows Oswald is guilty.

Maybe you can't provide such evidence and do this song and dance to cover it up? If so, that's really sad!

[Martin Weidmann]

The most likely alternative?

LOL!

If Oswald didn't kill JFK, what alternative is there other than a conspiracy -- a conspiracy that intentionally implicated Oswald in the assassination of JFK?

Don't know and don't care.

Now, can you present evidence that shows Oswald's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? If not, we're done talking.

You can take your conspiracy obsessions elsewhere!