Robert Groden claims has original Wiegman film, says Prayerman is not LHO

[Robin Unger]

Credit: Alex Harris.  "The JFK Theorist"

Raw footage #86: Robert Groden’s original scan of his 16mm copy of Dave Wiegman’s film

[Royell Storing]

Credit: Alex Harris.  "The JFK Theorist"

Raw footage #86: Robert Groden’s original scan of his 16mm copy of Dave Wiegman’s film

   ALEX & ROBIN - Thanks for making this "original scan" of the Wiegman Film available to ALL of us. As the better copies of the Wiegman Film make more and more obvious, there is NO CAR parked alongside the Island in the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone near the corner of the Elm St Extension and Elm St. Not Yet!

[Alex Harris]

   ALEX & ROBIN - Thanks for making this "original scan" of the Wiegman Film available to ALL of us. As the better copies of the Wiegman Film make more and more obvious, there is NO CAR parked alongside the Island in the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone near the corner of the Elm St Extension and Elm St. Not Yet!

This is far from the best copy I'd be able to provide eventually, but scanning one of Groden's copies is not free, and is not cheap. He's been surprisingly open with his films as far as letting them be scanned, but the biggest problem is how much it costs. It can get up to $1 per foot and with Groden potentially having hundreds of thousands of feet, you can see how that might be a problem.

If we could scan everything Groden had today, we would, and he wouldn't have a problem with it. But it takes time and money, and both of those things are in short supply. As much as I like that so many people have volunteered to help, he's very particular about who he trusts with his stuff, so apart from funding the scanning of the stuff we can't scan, there's not a lot anyone else can do.

Groden's archive will be completely available one day. I can promise that. It just won't be tomorrow, and it won't be free.

[John Mytton]

   ALEX & ROBIN - Thanks for making this "original scan" of the Wiegman Film available to ALL of us. As the better copies of the Wiegman Film make more and more obvious, there is NO CAR parked alongside the Island in the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone near the corner of the Elm St Extension and Elm St. Not Yet!

So Royell, let me get this straight, your missing Wiegman car that was seen about 15 minutes later in Hughes was a getaway car that didn't getaway? Is that right?
Wouldn't a getaway car be prepared and be waiting in advance and considering the Limo was running about 15 minutes late, doesn't that disqualify your entire theory?
If indeed the car did arrive just after Wiegman filmed, couldn't that just be someone who was late to see the parade and simply hung around with the all the other people who were checking out Dealey Plaza and were investigating what happened?
Or do you just have a problem with illegal parking and want to know if the guy/girl got booked for parking in a "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone? LOL!




JohnM

[Robin Unger]

car and a truck seen in Croft behind the wall
Seen on the roadway in front of the TSBD

[Royell Storing]

car and a truck seen in Croft behind the wall
Seen on the roadway in front of the TSBD

   ROBIN - Reconstructing the TSBD side of the Elm St Extension,  there was:  (1) The TSBD, (2) The Huge Gates, (3) The Block Wall that was part of the Grocery Warehouse, and (4) The Loading Dock. What we see behind those people is the Block Wall that was part of the Grocery Warehouse. This Block Wall is at the very end of the structures that extended BACK toward the railroad yard. This same Block Wall is visible behind the 3 Tramps in the photo showing them being marched past the Huge Gates and toward Elm St. The parked car that I have brought to the attention of everyone is parked between the "wide open" Huge Gates and the TSBD. That area of the Elm St Ext. is Not included in the background of this Croft photo. Remember that on the Darnell and Couch Films, we see Officer Baker running past the front end of this car as he sprints across the Island and toward the front door of the TSBD. This car is parked extremely far down the Elm St Ext near the corner.

[Royell Storing]

So Royell, let me get this straight, your missing Wiegman car that was seen about 15 minutes later in Hughes was a getaway car that didn't getaway? Is that right?
Wouldn't a getaway car be prepared and be waiting in advance and considering the Limo was running about 15 minutes late, doesn't that disqualify your entire theory?
If indeed the car did arrive just after Wiegman filmed, couldn't that just be someone who was late to see the parade and simply hung around with the all the other people who were checking out Dealey Plaza and were investigating what happened?
Or do you just have a problem with illegal parking and want to know if the guy/girl got booked for parking in a "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone? LOL!




JohnM

    John - How are you doing? I appreciate your looking into this car.

                                                             Your questions:

             (1) This "getaway" car is 1st seen on the Darnell and Couch Films as Officer Baker sprints across the Island toward the front door of the TSBD. Baker is filmed running past the front end of this parked car. This would be about :20+ SECONDS after the kill shot. The Hughes Film you mentioned shows the car somewhere around 20 MINUTES after the kill shot.

             (2) The JFK Limo "running about 15 minutes late" would have Nothing to do with the "timing" of this "getaway" car. I believe the car was put into motion down the Elm St Ext by the sound of gunshots. The gunshots were the "cue" for this car to begin moving down the Elm St Ext and then park in the "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone.

            (3) The "NO PARKING...." zone was back from the corner of the Elm St Ext and Elm St. If you were to look up Elm St toward the TSBD, you could Not see this car sitting in that "NO PARKING...." zone.  The 'NO PARKING...." sign served the same purpose as the Indy 500 "pit stop markings" for the "getaway" car.

           (4)  The "NO PARKING....." zone was back from the corner, (out of sight), and just feet away from of the "wide open" Huge Gates. I believe these "wide open" Huge Gates granted clandestine Entry and Exit from the TSBD. The TSBD stairwell leading up-to and down-from from the 6TH Floor sniper's nest was on the other side of these Huge Gates.

           (5) This "getaway" car was moving away from the railroad yard down the Elm St Ext. It was pointed TOWARD Elm St. The car was inside Dealey Plaza ahead of the JFK Motorcade. And remember that car access to Dealey Plaza was blocked off before the JFK Motorcade came down Main St. The "getaway" car was Not Late. It was "in position" in advance.