After 60+ Years in the JFKA Snipe Hunt: Monika Wiesak?

[Tom Graves]

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ME: Is the following statement true? "There were 200-plus federal agents in the crowd on Jan. 6, and the Capitol Police at one point mysteriously stood down and allowed the crowd into the Capitol."

GROK: No, the statement is not accurate as phrased. It combines elements of documented facts, exaggerations, and unproven implications into a misleading claim.

Federal Agents in the Crowd

There is no credible evidence of "200-plus federal agents" embedded in the crowd on January 6, 2021, acting as provocateurs or undercover operatives during the initial breach. A December 2024 Justice Department Inspector General (DOJ OIG) report found that the FBI had no undercover employees in the protest crowds or at the Capitol that day.

pbs.org

The same report documented 26 FBI confidential human sources (informants, not agents) in Washington, D.C., in connection with the events. Of these, only three were tasked by the FBI to report on specific domestic terrorism subjects. Four informants (across the group) entered the Capitol, and others entered restricted areas, but none were authorized by the FBI to do so, break the law, or encourage violence. Most of the 26 attended on their own initiative.

congress.gov

Claims of "274 plainclothes FBI agents" in the crowd stem from later clarifications (e.g., by then-FBI Director Kash Patel in 2025), but these refer to agents responding after the riot was declared—primarily for crowd control, pipe bomb investigations, or post-breach support—not pre-placed infiltrators inciting the crowd.

foxnews.com

Broader "federal agents" claims (including from other agencies) lack substantiation for the "200-plus" figure in the sense of orchestrated presence. Official investigations, including the DOJ OIG review, have repeatedly debunked theories of FBI or other federal orchestration of the riot.

Capitol Police "Standing Down"

Capitol Police did not "mysteriously stand down" in an orchestrated or suspicious manner to deliberately allow entry. The response involved documented security failures, poor planning, intelligence shortcomings, and being overwhelmed by the crowd size and violence—not a deliberate stand-down order.

Officers faced a large, surging crowd that breached outer perimeters around 1:00–2:00 p.m. Some videos show officers appearing to step aside, open barriers, or not aggressively resist at certain points (e.g., at specific doors or after initial breaches). In context, this often occurred because officers were outnumbered, exhausted, injured, or following de-escalation amid chaos; some rioters later claimed they believed they had implicit permission.

politifact.com

Internal reviews and Senate reports highlighted leadership failures: inadequate preparation despite warnings, restrictions on less-lethal weapons for some units, delayed requests for National Guard support, and command issues. For example, Capitol Police leadership ordered lockdowns and evacuations as breaches occurred, but resources were stretched thin (including due to pipe bomb distractions).

en.wikipedia.org

A Capitol Police internal watchdog report noted orders limiting aggressive crowd-control tools in some cases, and officers were suspended or investigated afterward. However, this reflects operational breakdowns and hesitation under pressure, not a mysterious conspiracy to invite entry. Multiple investigations (Senate, House, DOJ) described it as a "monumental security failure" due to intelligence lapses and poor coordination, not intentional facilitation.

washingtonpost.com

Videos of officers interacting with the crowd (e.g., waving people in or forming lines that later retreated) have been widely circulated and interpreted in partisan ways, but fact-checks and timelines show no evidence of a pre-planned "stand-down" to enable the breach. The initial breaches involved forced entry, broken windows, assaults on officers, and bear spray/pepper spray use against police.

Overall Context

January 6 involved real security and intelligence failures across agencies (FBI, Capitol Police, Pentagon/D.C. National Guard response delays). Thousands entered the Capitol unlawfully, leading to violence, deaths (including a rioter shot by police and officers who died later), and over 1,000+ prosecutions. Investigations found no evidence of a "fed-surrection" or federal agents orchestrating the event.

The statement overstates unproven elements ("200-plus federal agents" in the crowd as infiltrators) while framing routine chaos and documented lapses as "mysterious" stand-downs. Partial truths about informants present and police inconsistencies exist, but the claim as a whole does not hold up under scrutiny from official reports.

[Benjamin Cole]

I dunno...essentially AI citing official sources, or PBS?

I saw videos myself of Capitol Police standing aside and letting the crowd into the Capitol.

Mr Buffalo Horns?

Ray Epps?

Feds embedded in ProudBoys and Oath Keepers?

Like I said, likely just a scrum on Jan. 6, with a multitude of bad decisions made. Maybe too many for comfort, and it makes one wonder.

I mean, Capitol Police Officers attempting to unlock doors for Mr Buffalo Horns? And then solicitously escorting him to the Senate chambers? Huh? That's on video. What explains that behavior?

The Jan. 6 committee was a show trial-kangaroo court.

Your guess is as good as mine. Draw your own conclusions. Or ask Monika Wiesak.

Michale Jackson used to shop at Sears a lot.

That had sales: "Boy Pants, Half-Off!"

[John Corbett]

Many modern liberals, and probably conservatives too, would be surprised to know how conservative the Kennedy clan was in post-WWII America. JFK and Nixon struck up a friendship as freshmen congressmen following their elections in 1946. JFK went so far as to donate $1000 to Nixon's Senate campaign in 1950 against actress Helen Douglas, wife of actor Melvyn Douglas. Nixon had branded Douglas as the Pink Lady and it appears JFK concurred.

The Kennedys were close allies of Joe McCarthy even though they were from opposing parties. RFK stormed out of a Washington Jaycees meeting in protest when Edward R. Murrow was introduced as the featured speaker. joe McCarthy dated one of the Kennedy sisters and was godfather to RFK's first born.

In 1960, JFK was staunchly opposed by the liberal wing of the Democrat Party. He ran against Hubert Humphrey in the primaries and when he flamed out, they turned to Stuart Syminton. Some even supported giving Adlai Stevenson a third bite of the apple. Both Harry Truman and Eleanor Roosevelt opposed JFK's nomination and Roosevelt refused to endorse JFK in the general election until very late when she gave him a very lukewarm endorsement.

[Tom Graves]

TG-

No. AFAIK, not a Deep State action.

Ray Epps is a mysterious guy, and the fact that Mr Buffalo Horns was solicitously ushered around the US Capital was odd. Great photo ops, no? 

The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were heavily infiltrated by feds.

Evidently, there were 200+feds in the crowd on Jan. 6, and Capitol Police at one point mysteriously stood down, and allowed the crowd into the Capitol. None of that makes sense.

Maybe Jan 6 was just a scrum. Maybe just bad decisions made everywhere.

The Donk-run Jan. 6 committee was a kangaroo court show trial.

Dear "BC,"

In other words, you DO think it was a Deep State op.

-- "TG"

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

No, I do not think Jan. 6 was a Deep State op, or a Trumperian op to take over America.

Most likely just a scrum and a black comedy of errors.

The news coverage afterwards was Deep State-ish, maybe you can say that.

[Tom Graves]

Most likely just a scrum and a black comedy of errors.

You're full of beans.

Trump: "The election was stolen from me!"

Trump: “Be there, will be wild!”

Bannon: "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow!"

Trump: "If you don't fight like hell, you're going to lose your country!"


GROK: Donald Trump repeatedly and publicly claimed before January 6, 2021, that the 2020 presidential election had been stolen from him, primarily by Democrats through widespread fraud, rigged voting processes (especially mail-in ballots), and other irregularities. He began raising doubts well before Election Day and intensified them dramatically after November 3, 2020, framing the results as illegitimate in speeches, tweets, press conferences, rallies, and calls with officials.

npr.org

Pre-Election Warnings (2020)

Trump frequently warned that the only way he could lose was if the election was "rigged," focusing on mail-in voting expanded due to COVID-19. Examples include:

April 7, 2020: "Mail ballots are a very dangerous thing for this country, because they're cheaters. They go and collect them. They're fraudulent in many cases."

npr.org

August 2020 (RNC acceptance speech): "The only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election." He also said Democrats were "trying to rig this election."

politico.com

May 24, 2020 (tweet): "The Democrats are trying to Rig the 2020 Election, plain and simple!"

archive.amarkfoundation.org

He and allies like Steve Bannon discussed a strategy where Trump would declare victory early on election night, and if trailing later (due to mail ballots), claim "they stole it."

youtube.com

Post-Election Claims (November 2020–January 5, 2021)

After Biden was projected the winner, Trump refused to concede and made hundreds of statements alleging fraud. Key examples:

November 4, 2020 (early morning tweet, while results were still being counted): "We are up BIG, but they are trying to STEAL the Election. We will never let them do it. Votes cannot be cast after the Polls are closed!" He also said in a White House speech: "This is a fraud on the American public... we did win this election."

issueone.org

November 5, 2020 (tweet): "STOP THE COUNT!"

November 15, 2020 (tweet): "He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! ... This was a RIGGED ELECTION!"

issueone.org

December 2020 (tweet): "This Fake Election can no longer stand. Get moving Republicans." And: "I WON THE ELECTION IN A LANDSLIDE, but remember, I only think in terms of legal votes, not all of the fake voters and fraud..." He claimed "hundreds of thousands of ballots mysteriously flowing into Swing States very late at night."

congress.gov

Trump promoted specific unsubstantiated theories, including:

Dominion voting machines flipping votes (sometimes tied to Venezuela or foreign interference).

Massive illegal ballots, dead people voting, non-citizens voting, and more votes cast than registered voters in key areas.

Poll watchers being blocked and "suitcases" of ballots in Georgia.

Late-night ballot dumps in Democratic strongholds.

He repeated these in rallies (e.g., in Georgia), interviews, and a January 2, 2021, call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, where he urged officials to "find 11,780 votes" and claimed he won Georgia "by hundreds of thousands of votes."

en.wikipedia.org

On January 5, 2021 (the day before the Capitol events), Trump continued pushing the narrative in statements and planning for the next day's objections in Congress.

Scale and Impact

Trump made these claims hundreds of times via Twitter alone in the post-election period (e.g., "rigged" dozens of times, "stolen" dozens more, "I won" repeatedly). His January 6 Ellipse speech (on the day itself) compiled many of the same points, urging supporters to "stop the steal." Supporters and some Republican lawmakers echoed the rhetoric, leading to objections during the electoral vote certification.

issueone.org

Context and Counterpoints

These claims were investigated extensively: over 60 lawsuits (many dismissed, including by Trump-appointed judges), audits, recounts, and statements from Trump's own officials (e.g., Attorney General William Barr said no fraud on a scale that could change the outcome). No evidence emerged of widespread fraud sufficient to alter the results in any state. Courts repeatedly rejected the allegations for lack of evidence. Trump and allies were told internally by campaign staff, DOJ, and others that the claims lacked merit, though Trump maintained he believed (or acted as if) the election was stolen.

campaignlegal.org

Trump framed the fight as protecting the Constitution and "legal votes," often calling for Republican lawmakers to act. Critics argue the sustained rhetoric undermined confidence in elections and contributed to the events of January 6; supporters view it as legitimate questioning of procedures amid pandemic changes and alleged irregularities.

In summary, Trump's pre-January 6 statements consistently and forcefully asserted that Democrats (and others) had stolen the election through fraud and rigging. These formed a central theme of his post-election messaging.


Do you think the 2020 election was stolen from Trump?

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

If you want to start a thread on Jan 6, that's fine.

This thread was about Monika Wiesak's Putin- and Tehran-financed JFK and history narratives, and her pimping for the revised legacy of pederast Michael Jackson.

On Jan. 6, each to his own.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.