Mark Lane and Charles Brehm

[Duncan MacRae]

Every jiggle is not proof of a gunshot but every gunshot will be followed by a jiggle.

[Tom Graves]

Zapruder didn't resume filming until Z-133 (after a 17-second pause), so he missed Oswald's first shot half-a-second earlier.

[Royell Storing]

Every jiggle is not proof of a gunshot but every gunshot will be followed by a jiggle. This was established back in the 1960s during the filming of hunting shows. Even thought the cameramen knew shots were going to be fired, they couldn't hold their camera steady immediately following the shots.

We have solid evidence of when the two shots were fired that struck JFK and we can see camera jiggles about 1/3 second after those shots were fired.  I have not claimed that the Z158 jiggle is proof positive of a gunshot 1/3 second before, but given that it preceded Connally's visible reaction at Z164 when he began to turn to look over his right shoulder, it is a strong indication. It is possible the shot was fired earlier but that would have us believe Connally reacted very slowly to the first shot. So did Rosemary Willis. I find it far more likely that the shot was fired at or about Z152. It's the best fit for the reactions of Connally and Willis.

   Yeah, those "hunting shows" are bona fide Proof. Admitted as "evidence" in courtrooms across the USA. Coupled with the alleged "Jiggle" from a man with admitted balance issues, you gotta "slam dunk" going here. Proffering this kinda stuff is indicative of just how weak of a case that you got going.

[John Corbett]

Cronkite was full of xxxx. The WC never said the first shot was fired at Z210. They said the shot that hit JFK in the back was fired between Z210 and Z225. They were correct about that. They reached no conclusion as to whether that was the first or second of Oswald's shots. Given the advantage of decades to look at the Z-film and technologies not available to the WC at time, we can safely conclude that the first shot missed and it was the second shot that hit JFK in the back and went on to wound JBC.

It's amazing how many myths have arisen about the WC's conclusions regarding the timing of the shots, given the WC's clearly stated summary at the conclusion of the chapter that dealt with that issue. For many years there was a widely held belief that the WC concluded Oswald fired all three shots in 5.6 seconds or less. Perhaps Josiah Thompson's book Six Seconds in Dallas cemented that erroneous conclusion in people's minds. Nowhere was this myth more evident than in the scene from Oliver Stone's shitass movie in which Garrison and his assistant were in the sniper's nest with a Carcano rifle and his assistant started off with two lies. First he claimed the WC said the first shot missed. False. That is what happened but that was not a conclusion of the WC. Then he says the WC claimed the three shots were fired in under 6 seconds. That's false both regarding what the WC concluded and what actually happened. What made that especially deceitful is the two claims are mutually exclusive. The WC did allow for a first shot miss and they allowed for a 5.6 second time for all three shots but not both. The 5.6 second time frame is only compatible with a SECOND shot miss. Then to top it all off, the assistant tells Garrison, "I'm Oswald. Time me.". He then dry fires the rifle three times and Garrison tells him it was over 7 seconds. If you actually time that yourself with a stopwatch, it is under 6 seconds. And from that the assistant says that Oswald couldn't have done the shooting. All he did was prove that when one starts with invalid premises, one will likely reach invalid conclusions.  What is truly remarkable is how many whoppers Oliver Stone was able to cram into one short scene.

[Royell Storing]

   Oliver Stone's "JFK" is a movie. Why are you going ape sh*t over a movie? It's a very entertaining, star studded movie. And, it ultimately brought us the ARRB. Save your energy, save your profanity, pop some corn, and just enjoy the show.