S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

It is absurd to expect every bullet that is fired to be recoverable, especially the bullets from missed shots. Shots that don't hit the intended target can travel great distances and are not going to always be recoverable. It isn't a problem at all that we have 3 spent hulls and only 2 recovered bullets. That missed shot ended up somewhere. We just don't know where that was nor do we need to.

There were  2 shots from the Carcano, & we found say 1.25 slugs from the Carcano (a whole slug from Z218)(bits of lead from Z218 in Connolly)(the brass in the limo from the ricochet at Z110)(bits of lead in the limo from Z110)(bits of lead on jfk's head from Z110).
And Hickey fired at least 4 shots & we found say 0.1 slugs from the AR15 (bits of lead in jfk's head & brain from Z312)(bits of lead on windshield from Z312)(bits of lead in limo from Z312--Z300)(smear of lead on kerb near Tague from Z300)(we might be able to add to that 0.1 slugs about 0.75 of a slug ie a partial slug was found up on the TUP in about 1977? possibly from Z300 or Z???).

[John Corbett]

    For starters, where is there Evidence of a "missed shot"? And didn't the HSCA claim a 4th shot was a "missed shot". This "missed shot" stuff cuts both ways. But this is where you are at. Now claiming that Oswald while standing up, fired a "missed shot" through a 1/2 open window. Ludicrous.

There were three spent shells and only two recovered bullets. Prima fascia evidence of a missed shot.

The HSCA conclusions were FUBAR. They allowed themselves to be duped by junk science which was never peer reviewed and thoroughly debunked after they published their findings.

Up until now, I hadn't claimed Oswald stood up. However, the first shot would have been fired at more vertical downward trajectory than the first two shots. That would have forced Oswald to raise himself somewhat in order elevate the butt end of the rifle and fire downward at a target moving across his line of fire. This made the first the most difficult of the three since the subsequent shots were fired with his target moving almost directly away from him. The first shot, while being the shortest, was by far the most difficult of the three for the reasons stated. I doubt Oswald stood completely up for that first shot but he probably rose up part way to fire that first shot.

PS. Do you have any credible evidence of anyone other than Oswald taking part in the assassination. Don't feel bad if you don't. After 62 years, nobody else has either.

[Royell Storing]

There were three spent shells and only two recovered bullets. Prima fascia evidence of a missed shot.

The HSCA conclusions were FUBAR. They allowed themselves to be duped by junk science which was never peer reviewed and thoroughly debunked after they published their findings.

Up until now, I hadn't claimed Oswald stood up. However, the first shot would have been fired at more vertical downward trajectory than the first two shots. That would have forced Oswald to raise himself somewhat in order elevate the butt end of the rifle and fire downward at a target moving across his line of fire. This made the first the most difficult of the three since the subsequent shots were fired with his target moving almost directly away from him. The first shot, while being the shortest, was by far the most difficult of the three for the reasons stated. I doubt Oswald stood completely up for that first shot but he probably rose up part way to fire that first shot.

PS. Do you have any credible evidence of anyone other than Oswald taking part in the assassination. Don't feel bad if you don't. After 62 years, nobody else has either.

 
   Are you Now running away from a shot striking the traffic signal support beam? In order to hit that traffic signal, a shooter has to be standing up. Not merely "rose up" as you claim. Standing erect was part of that razzle dazzle/visual aid that Max Holland provided on "The Lost Bullet". Your fudging with the firing stance of the shooter shows your awareness of the weak hand you are attempting to play.
   "Junk Science"? Says the man that likes to proffer "Hunting Shows" as evidence. Pot meet kettle.

[John Corbett]

 
   Are you Now running away from a shot striking the traffic signal support beam? In order to hit that traffic signal, a shooter has to be standing up. Not merely "rose up" as you claim. Standing erect was part of that razzle dazzle/visual aid that Max Holland provided on "The Lost Bullet". Your fudging with the firing stance of the shooter shows your awareness of the weak hand you are attempting to play.
   "Junk Science"? Says the man that likes to proffer "Hunting Shows" as evidence. Pot meet kettle.

Why would I run away from a position I never took. There is no conclusive evidence as to where that first shot hit and where it ended up. It isn't necessary to establish that because we have proof positive of where the second and third shots hit.

I have no obligation to defend Max Holland's hypothesis. I've never been a proponent of his theories. I don't have a weak hand because I'm not even in that game.

As for the hunting shows, it is an observable fact that can be replicated. Cameramen on these shows invariably jiggled their handheld cameras upon hearing the sound of a high powered rifle, even though they knew the shot was coming and it didn't startle them. It isn't just gunshots which cause camera jiggle. Many other sounds can cause it. A handheld camera will almost always have some slight movement but that movement is accentuated when there is a loud noise such as a rifle shot.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Why would I run away from a position I never took. There is no conclusive evidence as to where that first shot hit and where it ended up. It isn't necessary to establish that because we have proof positive of where the second and third shots hit.

I have no obligation to defend Max Holland's hypothesis. I've never been a proponent of his theories. I don't have a weak hand because I'm not even in that game.

As for the hunting shows, it is an observable fact that can be replicated. Cameramen on these shows invariably jiggled their handheld cameras upon hearing the sound of a high powered rifle, even though they knew the shot was coming and it didn't startle them. It isn't just gunshots which cause camera jiggle. Many other sounds can cause it. A handheld camera will almost always have some slight movement but that movement is accentuated when there is a loud noise such as a rifle shot.

They found a hole in the floor of the limo (between the Connolys) when they worked on the limo in Dec 1963.
I showed a photo of the hole in my thread.
The bullet hole iz now covered by a layer of titanium or steel on top, so u would need to look from underneath.

[John Corbett]

They found a hole in the floor of the limo (between the Connolys) when they worked on the limo in Dec 1963.
I showed a photo of the hole in my thread.
The bullet hole iz now covered by a layer of titanium or steel on top, so u would need to look from underneath.

Source?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Source?

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