Podcast On Tippit

[Martin Weidmann]

I have discussed her statements bu never found any of them to be crucial to the case against Oswald. The discussions I've had with conspiracy hobbyists have been about here statement that Oswald came and left at about 1:00. Numerous times conspiracy hobbyists we try to use that as a firmly established  time to argue Oswald couldn't have reached 10th and Patton in time to have been Tippit's murder. That's silly for several reasons. We don't know that he left the rooming house at precisely 1:00 and a difference of even a few minutes makes all the difference in the world. Back when I visited Dallas in 2008 I made the walk from the rooming house to 10th and Patton in just under 13 minutes so I don't see any problem for Oswald to have gotten there in time to  kill ==Tippit.

As for the jacket, I can't ever remember focusing on Roberts statement about the jacket. The fact that she said he left with a jacket does not prove to me he actually did have a jacket on when he left but it certainly doesn't rule it out either. There's plenty of other evidence to establish ditched his jacket under a car after fleeing the scene of the Tippit murder. We could establish that even if Roberts had never mentioned the jacket. The single most damning piece of evidence that Oswald was the Tippit murderer is that he had the murder weapon in his possession when he was arrested along wtih the same two makes of bullets that killed Tippit. It's hard to get around that if you want to argue for Oswald's innocence.

The fact that she said he left with a jacket does not prove to me he actually did have a jacket on when he left but it certainly doesn't rule it out either.

True.

There's plenty of other evidence to establish ditched his jacket under a car after fleeing the scene of the Tippit murder.

Wrong! If Oswald left the rooming house without a jacket, than he couldn't have ditched a jacket under a car.

We could establish that even if Roberts had never mentioned the jacket.

Wrong again! There was no chain of custody for the jacket found at the car park. An unknown and never identified patrol officer pointed the jacket under the car out to Captain Westbrook, who then gave it to another unknown officer after which that jacket disappeared.

In several radio communications the jacket in the car park was described as being white. John Mytton constantly claims falsely that sunlight changed the color of the jacket, but although that might be true when looking at a black and white photo, it most certainly isn't true when an officer is holding the jacket in his hand.

Add to this, that we know from Marina that Oswald had only two jackets. One grey one and one dark-grey one. The latter was found at the TSBD, so must have been the one Oswald was wearing on Friday morning. Buell Frazier testified that during the trip to Irving on Thursday afternoon Oswald was wearing a grey jacket. Although his description of that jacket was somewhat strange, there can nevertheless only be one conclusion, which is that Oswald did in fact wear his grey jacket to Irving and left it there. This means it could not have been at Oak Cliff on Friday morning.

So, how did the grey jacket end up at the DPD station being marked by several officers? I believe it is possible that the grey jacket was taken from Ruth Paine's house during the second search of her home on Saturday afternoon. When it got to the station the white jacket was substituted for the grey one and marked. I also believe this is the reason why the FBI visited some 400 dry cleaners in the Dallas and New Orleans areas in order to find the dry cleaner that matched the label found in the jacket, so that the jacket could be linked to Oswald.

Now before you go all "the DPD wouldn't something like that", you should consider that this isn't the only strange matter in relation to the second search of Ruth Paine's house. That search started on Saturday around midday and by around 3 PM the officers were back at the station. Allegedly, it was during the second search that the BY photos were found. However, Michael Paine is on record saying that he was shown one of the photos on Friday evening by an FBI agent who wanted to know where the photo was taken. And Captain Fritz testified that around 12.30 on Saturday afternoon he showed Oswald a BY photo which had already been enlarged. So, how was that possible if the BY photos really didn't get to the station until about 3 PM.

See where this is going?

[Bill Brown]

Dear Martin,

There's a big difference between passively misremembering the shade of a jacket and actively remembering the actions of a person who is not only in an unusual hurry but has just put on said jacket and is in the process of zipping it up as he rushes out the door.

-- Tom

Bingo!

[Bill Brown]

So who actually found the jacket under the car?

"And he said look, there's a jacket under the car. He pointed this jacket out to me and it was laying slightly under the rear of one of the cars. I think it was an old Pontiac sitting there, if I remember right. So I walked over and reached under and picked up the jacket." -- Capt. Westbrook

[Bill Brown]

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.

Approximately five minutes later two individuals from Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, appeared at Ballew's Texaco Service Station, making inquiry as to whether she had noticed the young white man come by the station. She indicated she had, at which time they informed her that this individual had in all probability shot a Dallas police officer. She advised she informed them that the individual proceeded north behind the Texaco station and she last observed him in the parking lot directly behind Ballew's Texaco Service Station.

Mrs. BROCK was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans PD 9 112723, dated August 9, 1963, which she identified as being the same person she observed on November 22, 1963, at Ballew's Texaco Service Station.

Mrs. BROCK advised at the time she saw OSWALD on November 22, 1963, she was unaware of the fact that President JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY had been assassinated, and she was unaware that Dallas Police Officer J. D. TIPPIT had been shot.

on 1/21/64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461

By Special Agents JOHN T. KESLER and VERNON MITCHEM - LAC Date dictated 1/22/64

[John Mytton]

Very near the Tippit crime scene, Oswald was seen entering a carpark and his jacket was found under a car, the jacket was initialled by various law officers and the FBI forensic examiner, to maintain a chain of custody.

Lie # 1 and 2

There was no chain of custody;

Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes; behind the Texaco service station, and some officer, I feel sure it was an officer, I still can't be positive pointed this jacket out to me and it was laying slightly under the rear of one of the cars.
Mr. BALL. What kind of a car was it?
Mr. WESTBROOK. That, I couldn't tell you. I told the officer to take the make and the license number.
Mr. BALL. Did you take the number yourself?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No.
Mr. BALL. What was the name of the officer?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I couldn't tell you that, sir.

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Mr. WESTBROOK. Now, I did, when I left this scene, I turned this jacket over to one of the officers and I went by that church, I think, and I think that would be on 10th Street.

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Mr. BALL. And you turned it over to whom?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Now, it was to this officer--that got the name.
Mr. BALL. Does your report show the name of the officer?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No, sir; it doesn't. When things like this happen--it was happening so fast you don't remember those things.

And unknown and never identified officer finds a jacket and shows it to Westbrook who gives it to another unnamed officer isn't a chain of custody.

The people who marked the grey jacket did so at the police station and were never part of the chain of custody.

The jacket was filmed at the scene and this jacket was positively identified by his wife

Lie # 3

Marina identified the grey jacket that did indeed belong to Oswald. There is no evidence that the jacket found at the car park, described as white by several officers, was ever shown to Marina,

At the end of the day it would be up to a judge and jury to determine if the jacket was actually at the crime scene.

1. Westbrook testified that the jacket that he found was the same one in evidence. And that's that!

Mr. BALL. I show you Commission Exhibit 162, do you recognize that?
Mr. WESTBROOK. That is exactly the jacket we found.
Mr. BALL. That is the jacket you found?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.

2. The jacket was initialled by Stombaug, meaning he looked at the jacket and according to a FBI report, the jacket in evidence had Oswald's shirt fibers in one of the sleaves. Slam Dunk!

3. Marina positively identified the jacket in evidence. Home run!

Mrs. OSWALD. This is a pullover sweater. This is his pullover sweater.
Mr. RANKIN. 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Sort of a jacket?

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.

Approximately five minutes later two individuals from Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, appeared at Ballew's Texaco Service Station, making inquiry as to whether she had noticed the young white man come by the station. She indicated she had, at which time they informed her that this individual had in all probability shot a Dallas police officer. She advised she informed them that the individual proceeded north behind the Texaco station and she last observed him in the parking lot directly behind Ballew's Texaco Service Station.

Mrs. BROCK was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans PD 9 112723, dated August 9, 1963, which she identified as being the same person she observed on November 22, 1963, at Ballew's Texaco Service Station.

Mrs. BROCK advised at the time she saw OSWALD on November 22, 1963, she was unaware of the fact that President JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY had been assassinated, and she was unaware that Dallas Police Officer J. D. TIPPIT had been shot.

on 1/21/64 at Dallas, Texas File # DL 100-10461

By Special Agents JOHN T. KESLER and VERNON MITCHEM - LAC Date dictated 1/22/64

That's one hell of a memory. Identifying a person who walked past her at a fast pace, some two months earlier, from a photograph.

Or could the two months of massive media exposure and finger pointing at Oswald have something to do with it?

Scoggings, who identified Oswald in a line up couldn't identify him from a photo the next day...... Something wrong in paradise methinks!

[Martin Weidmann]

At the end of the day it would be up to a judge and jury to determine if the jacket was actually at the crime scene.

1. Westbrook testified that the jacket that he found was the same one in evidence. And that's that!

Mr. BALL. I show you Commission Exhibit 162, do you recognize that?
Mr. WESTBROOK. That is exactly the jacket we found.
Mr. BALL. That is the jacket you found?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Yes, sir.

2. The jacket was initialled by Stombaug, meaning he looked at the jacket and according to a FBI report, the jacket in evidence had Oswald's shirt fibers in one of the sleaves. Slam Dunk!

3. Marina positively identified the jacket in evidence. Home run!

Mrs. OSWALD. This is a pullover sweater. This is his pullover sweater.
Mr. RANKIN. 162?
Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.
Mr. RANKIN. Sort of a jacket?

JohnM

1. Westbrook testified that the jacket that he found was the same one in evidence. And that's that!

Because cop said so..... HAHAHAHAHAHA... What else did you expect him to say?

A chain of custody is required to avoid exactly this kind of pathetic testimony. In Henry Wade's Dallas a large number of innocent people were found guilty on flawed and manipulated evidence.
A great number of this convictions were later nullified as being unsafe.

But by all means, let's just take the Personnel officer's word for it.   

2. The jacket was initialled by Stombaug [sic], meaning he looked at the jacket and according to a FBI report, the jacket in evidence had Oswald's shirt fibers in one of the sleaves. Slam Dunk!

Of course the jacket was marked by Stombaugh. He did so in Washington after the white jacket had already morphed into the grey one that actually belonged to Oswald. If there were fibers in that jacket there is nothing remarkable about that.

3. Marina positively identified the jacket in evidence. Home run!

Of course she did, as the grey jacket belonged to Oswald. The question is when exactly was that jacket placed in evidence? And with that we're back at square one.... COP SAID SO