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Podcast On Tippit
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 12, 2026, 11:19:36 PM ---Says the fool who thinks the statements of a woman who admitted that she wasn't paying attention, had bad vision, and only could have seen Oswald for a few seconds as he opened the frontdoor and walked out should be written in stone.
Roberts said the jack was dark colored, which it wasn't, and she couldn't identify it during her testimony, so she didn't get a damned thing wrong which of course means for crazy Bill Brown that she must have been right about the zipping part. Go figure!
Btw, the grey jacket wasn't even in Oak Cliff on Friday morning. There is no way it could have been. We've discussed this in the past but you will never ever accept anything that you don't like, so I am not going to revisit that discussion.
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Dear Martin,
There's a big difference between passively misremembering the shade of a jacket and actively remembering the actions of a person who is not only in an unusual hurry but has just put on said jacket and is in the process of zipping it up as he rushes out the door.
-- Tom
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on April 12, 2026, 11:56:54 PM ---Dear Martin,
There's a big difference between passively misremembering the shade of a jacket and actively remembering the actions of a person who is not only in an unusual hurry but has just put on said jacket and is in the process of zipping it up as he rushes out the door.
-- Tom
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Nice try, but no cigar. She said the jacket was dark from the beginning and her lack of powers of observation are clear when you read her affidavit in which she says that she couldn't describe the clothing Oswald was wearing when he entered the rooming house.
No, why in the world would she not be able to describe Oswald's clothing as he came in as well as when he left. She can't even describe the jacket, gets the color wrong and only makes a comment about him zipping up a jacket. Even worse, Roberts, by her own admission, wasn't paying much attention and the circumstances as she described justify the conclusion that she only saw Oswald for a few seconds as he opened the front door and walked out.
Besides, the grey jacket wasn't even in the rooming house on Friday morning, but in Irving instead.
It's amazing that anybody would blindly accept the statement about one particular item from a woman with bad vision, who wasn't paying attention, got everything else wrong and who her employer described as somebody who makes up stories.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 13, 2026, 12:12:41 AM ---Nice try, but no cigar. She said the jacket was dark from the beginning and her lack of powers of observation are clear when you read her affidavit in which she says that she couldn't describe the clothing Oswald was wearing when he entered the rooming house.
No, why in the world would she not be able to describe Oswald's clothing as he came in as well as when he left. She can't even describe the jacket, gets the color wrong and only makes a comment about him zipping up a jacket. Even worse, Roberts, by her own admission, wasn't paying much attention and the circumstances as she described justify the conclusion that she only saw Oswald for a few seconds as he opened the front door and walked out.
Besides, the grey jacket wasn't even in the rooming house on Friday morning, but in Irving instead.
It's amazing that anybody would blindly accept the statement about one particular item from a woman with bad vision, who wasn't paying attention, got everything else wrong and who her employer described as somebody who makes up stories.
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Dear Martin,
Roberts was sufficiently distracted by the problematic television to notice correctly the shade of Oswald's jacket, but his actions were sufficiently unusual for her to remember that he arrived in a hurry, that he hurriedly entered his room, that he left wearing a jacket that he hadn't arrived in, and that he was zipping it up as he was hurriedly leaving.
-- Tom
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on April 13, 2026, 12:26:34 AM ---Dear Martin,
Roberts was sufficiently distracted by the problematic television to notice correctly the shade of Oswald's jacket, but his actions were sufficiently unusual for her to remember that he arrived in a hurry, that he hurriedly entered his room, that he left wearing a jacket that he hadn't arrived in, and that he was zipping it up as he was hurriedly leaving.
-- Tom
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Since when is zipping up a jacket unusual?
I repeat; there is evidence that shows that the grey jacket was in Irving and could not have been at the rooming house on Friday morning. As Oswald had only two jackets and one of those was found at the TSBD, while Frazier described the jacket Oswald was wearing on Thursday afternoon as being grey, can you explain how the grey jacket could have been at the rooming house the next day?
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 13, 2026, 12:12:41 AM ---Nice try, but no cigar. She said the jacket was dark from the beginning and her lack of powers of observation are clear when you read her affidavit in which she says that she couldn't describe the clothing Oswald was wearing when he entered the rooming house.
No, why in the world would she not be able to describe Oswald's clothing as he came in as well as when he left. She can't even describe the jacket, gets the color wrong and only makes a comment about him zipping up a jacket. Even worse, Roberts, by her own admission, wasn't paying much attention and the circumstances as she described justify the conclusion that she only saw Oswald for a few seconds as he opened the front door and walked out.
Besides, the grey jacket wasn't even in the rooming house on Friday morning, but in Irving instead.
It's amazing that anybody would blindly accept the statement about one particular item from a woman with bad vision, who wasn't paying attention, got everything else wrong and who her employer described as somebody who makes up stories.
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--- Quote ---She said the jacket was dark...
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Why do you insist on being so stupid and dishonest, she said the jacket she was shown was relatively darker than the one she saw Oswald zipping up at the rooming house. But the most relevant memory she has is the zipping action, something understandably that stuck with her!
Because you realize how important her testimony is you have tried every pathetic attempt to try and discredit her. Like I said you are simply an angry, bitter old man who hates Women! Misogynist!
Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?
Just because one grey is darker than another, doesn't instantly categorize it as "Dark", you must be the dumbest person to ever walk the Earth!!
And shades are powerfully reflected by the contrast of the environment. The centre bar when surrounded by varying shades appears to be itself different shades but it's a constant colour.
Grow a brain you idiot!
JohnM
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