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Bill Brown:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 15, 2026, 12:06:38 PM ---
No.
To get to her bus stop "some three minutes earlier" than the time the bus was due by would mean she would get to the bus stop at around 1:09 (for the 1:12 bus) or 1:19 (for the 1:22 bus).
That assumes that Markham knew the official timetable and that the busses would always run on time. The reality is that Markham, in her mind, needed to be at the bus stop at 1:15 to get her bus!
Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
Busses seldom run exactly on time, so trying to argue that they did in this instance is disingenuous. Markham, in her mind, clearly needed to be at the bus stop every day at 1:15 and she would get on the first bus on her route that came along. That's how it works in the real world.
Nice try, but that's not what is shown in a video you recently took part in, which showed a map with Markham being stationary for some time at 10th and Patton.
I just can't remember which video that was, but perhaps you know. Beyond that, you can imagine it all you want, it's still self-serving speculation.
Markham tells a different story;
In her statement to FBI Agent Robert Barrett on 3/16/64 she said "she had hoped to catch a bus at about 1:15 PM" According to Barrett "She stopped at this intersection in order to allow a police squad car and some other cars pass by.
Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.
Mr. BALL. When you came to the corner of Patton and 10th Street--first of all, what side of the street were you walking on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Now you have got me mixed up on all my streets. I was on the opposite of where this man was.
Mr. BALL. Well, you were walking along the street--
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the street.
Mr. BALL. On Patton, you were going toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you were on the right- or left-hand side of the street as you were walking south?
Mrs. MARKHAM. That would be on the left.
Mr. BALL. Your right.
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it would be right.
Mr. BALL. Right-hand side, wouldn't it? When you came to the corner did you have to stop before you crossed 10th Street?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Why?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On account the traffic was coming.
Mr. BALL. And you stopped there on the corner?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
If Markham wasn't stopped at the intersection by Tippit's cruiser passing by, she would have had no plausible reason for stopping. She was on her way to catch her usual bus and only had minutes to spare. That's not a moment for sightseeing!
By the time she actually gets to the corner, Tippit is pulling over or has just pulled over. She sees the guy who was walking then walk over to the passenger side of the car and watched as the conversation between the two takes place. Because of this, instead of continuing to walk on her merry way, she stands there at the corner wondering why a police officer in his squad car has pulled alongside a guy who was walking on the sidewalk.
And risk missing her usual bus? For a police officer calling a civilian and having a conversation with him? Really?
We can't assume that Markham was trying to catch a bus at 1:15. There's no reason to assume that, especially since we know there was no 1:15 bus.
We don't have to assume it. Markham herself told us!
By the way, my opinion is that the shooting occurred around 1:15:30(ish).
So now you disagree with Dale Myers?
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--- Quote ---That assumes that Markham knew the official timetable and that the busses would always run on time. The reality is that Markham, in her mind, needed to be at the bus stop at 1:15 to get her bus!
Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
Busses seldom run exactly on time, so trying to argue that they did in this instance is disingenuous. Markham, in her mind, clearly needed to be at the bus stop every day at 1:15 and she would get on the first bus on her route that came along. That's how it works in the real world.
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Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15. She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.
--- Quote ---Nice try, but that's not what is shown in a video you recently took part in, which showed a map with Markham being stationary for some time at 10th and Patton.
I just can't remember which video that was, but perhaps you know. Beyond that, you can imagine it all you want, it's still self-serving speculation.
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You may be thinking of Fred Litwin's "On The Trail Of Delusion" podcast. I was not responsible for the graphics, though I don't have a problem with them.
You asked for my opinion and then ridicule me by calling it "self-serving speculation". You really are a dickhead, aren't ya?
--- Quote ---Markham tells a different story;
In her statement to FBI Agent Robert Barrett on 3/16/64 she said "she had hoped to catch a bus at about 1:15 PM" According to Barrett "She stopped at this intersection in order to allow a police squad car and some other cars pass by.
Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.
Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.
Mr. BALL. When you came to the corner of Patton and 10th Street--first of all, what side of the street were you walking on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Now you have got me mixed up on all my streets. I was on the opposite of where this man was.
Mr. BALL. Well, you were walking along the street--
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the street.
Mr. BALL. On Patton, you were going toward Jefferson?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you were on the right- or left-hand side of the street as you were walking south?
Mrs. MARKHAM. That would be on the left.
Mr. BALL. Your right.
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it would be right.
Mr. BALL. Right-hand side, wouldn't it? When you came to the corner did you have to stop before you crossed 10th Street?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Why?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On account the traffic was coming.
Mr. BALL. And you stopped there on the corner?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
If Markham wasn't stopped at the intersection by Tippit's cruiser passing by, she would have had no plausible reason for stopping. She was on her way to catch her usual bus and only had minutes to spare. That's not a moment for sightseeing!
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Clearly YOU aren't aware that Jack Tatum would be approaching the intersection of Tenth & Patton while Tippit and his killer were talking. Markham described "traffic was coming". She didn't say a police car was coming. Or... are we now accepting everything the FBI (in this case, Barrett) says is 100% true? If that's the case, then the bag was indeed three feet long by six inches wide, according to Linnie Mae Randle (per Bookhout).
--- Quote ---We don't have to assume it. Markham herself told us!
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Markham tells us no such thing. You're putting words into her mouth. That's bad form.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on April 15, 2026, 08:40:53 PM ---
Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15. She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.
You may be thinking of Fred Litwin's "On The Trail Of Delusion" podcast. I was not responsible for the graphics, though I don't have a problem with them.
You asked for my opinion and then ridicule me by calling it "self-serving speculation". You really are a dickhead, aren't ya?
Clearly YOU aren't aware that Jack Tatum would be approaching the intersection of Tenth & Patton while Tippit and his killer were talking. Markham described "traffic was coming". She didn't say a police car was coming. Or... are we now accepting everything the FBI (in this case, Barrett) says is 100% true? If that's the case, then the bag was indeed three feet long by six inches wide, according to Linnie Mae Randle (per Bookhout).
Markham tells us no such thing. You're putting words into her mouth. That's bad form.
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Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15. She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.
Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.
You may be thinking of Fred Litwin's "On The Trail Of Delusion" podcast. I was not responsible for the graphics, though I don't have a problem with them.
Could be. No surpise that you don't have a problem with them. You won't have a problem with them if they showed Markham having a barbeque at that intersection.
You asked for my opinion and then ridicule me by calling it "self-serving speculation". You really are a dickhead, aren't ya?
Said one dickhead to another. I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.
When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!
Clearly YOU aren't aware that Jack Tatum would be approaching the intersection of Tenth & Patton while Tippit and his killer were talking. Markham described "traffic was coming". She didn't say a police car was coming. Or... are we now accepting everything the FBI (in this case, Barrett) says is 100% true? If that's the case, then the bag was indeed three feet long by six inches wide, according to Linnie Mae Randle (per Bookhout).
So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.
I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street. You make it out as a highway with loads of cars passing by. It wasn't and still isn't.
Markham tells us no such thing. You're putting words into her mouth. That's bad form.
She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!
Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?
Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 15, 2026, 11:41:17 AM ---You're only the one who makes up all that bogus "I'm not the one..." BS!
Instead of just accepting a single individual assassinated Kennedy and Tippit,
I wouldn't hesitate one second to accept Oswald's guilt if the LN clan provides persuasive evidence for that guilt.
The problem is that you can't and never will be able to do so.
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You can lead a horse to water...
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 15, 2026, 10:17:16 PM ---You can lead a horse to water...
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I would let you lead me, if you only knew where the water actually is.....
Bill Brown:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 15, 2026, 09:24:28 PM ---Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15. She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.
Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.
You may be thinking of Fred Litwin's "On The Trail Of Delusion" podcast. I was not responsible for the graphics, though I don't have a problem with them.
Could be. No surpise that you don't have a problem with them. You won't have a problem with them if they showed Markham having a barbeque at that intersection.
You asked for my opinion and then ridicule me by calling it "self-serving speculation". You really are a dickhead, aren't ya?
Said one dickhead to another. I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.
When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!
Clearly YOU aren't aware that Jack Tatum would be approaching the intersection of Tenth & Patton while Tippit and his killer were talking. Markham described "traffic was coming". She didn't say a police car was coming. Or... are we now accepting everything the FBI (in this case, Barrett) says is 100% true? If that's the case, then the bag was indeed three feet long by six inches wide, according to Linnie Mae Randle (per Bookhout).
So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.
I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street. You make it out as a highway with loads of cars passing by. It wasn't and still isn't.
Markham tells us no such thing. You're putting words into her mouth. That's bad form.
She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!
Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?
Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.
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--- Quote ---Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.
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Nonsense. The time stamps on the police tapes are not "bad evidence" at all. You don't understand them; that doesn't make them "bad".
--- Quote ---I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.
When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!
--- End quote ---
Again, you basically asked me to speculate and I admit I am only giving my opinion. Seems simple enough but only a Kook would take issue with it.
--- Quote ---So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.
--- End quote ---
Again, in her Warren Commission testimony, she said traffic was coming. She did not say it was a police car. If you want to rely on the FBI report as if it's gospel, then we can also agree then that Randle indeed said the bag was three feet long. This is simple stuff, really. So, which is it for you?
By the way, the FBI agent who interviewed Markham in March of '64 was Barrett (as you originally stated), not Bookhout (as you are now stating).
--- Quote ---I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street.
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In your opinion. Obviously that was not Markham's opinion, as she tells us she had to wait for traffic to pass before trying to cross.
--- Quote ---She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!
Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?
Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.
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You don't know what "get your bus" means and you certainly don't know how Markham interpreted the question. The bottom line is that Markham never says she caught a bus at 1:15 and no amount of you putting words into her mouth will change this.
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