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What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on February 27, 2026, 08:56:06 PM ---Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Yes, there is.
In the pertinent Wiegman frames, the rear part (James Hackerott says it's a farther-forward part) of your "Abandoned Getaway Car" is visually merged with a light-colored car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension.
Now that's been established, we're trying to figure out exactly which of the light-colored cars parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension in various photographs and films -- taken before, during, and after the shooting -- is the one in Wiegman that's merging with your light-colored 1958 Pontiac Bonneville parked next to the "Island" and with perhaps just the rear part (or, as James Hackerott prefers -- a farther forward part) of said Pontiac visible to the immediate left of "Fedora Man's" bare forearm / wrist, and perhaps its passenger's-side rear tire and passenger's-side front tire and [fill in the blank] also visible in said frames.
Perhaps it's one of those two light-colored cars parked next to the TSBD and behind Inspector Sawyer's car (one of which is barely visible) in the National Geographic documentary you turned me onto a few months ago!
-- Tom
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Graves, you're embarrassing yourself again. Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35. You guys have absolutely no idea what car was parked where on the TSBD side of Elm St. This is exactly why the Lego stuff is pure BS: There's no 17.5 FEET LONG car parked alongside the Island on the Wiegman Film. Believe what you see.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 27, 2026, 09:37:21 PM ---Graves, you're embarrassing yourself again. Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Did you or did you not "turn me onto" a National Geographic documentary which shows the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville at issue still parked next to the "Island" [fill in the blank] minutes / hours after the assassination?
In that footage, do we or do we not see Inspector Sawyer's car parked closest to the camera next to the TSBD?
If that's not Inspector Sawyer's car, all I can say is BFD.
Pardon my German.
Whether or not Amos Euins was inside that car at that time and whether or not it was Inspector Sawyers' car is immaterial to what we're debating.
The important thing is that two light-colored cars can be seen parked next to the TSBD behind "Inspector Sawyer's car," and one or the other of them could very well have been the light-colored car that your 1959 Pontiac Bonneville Getaway Car visually merged with in Wiegman.
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on February 27, 2026, 09:55:41 PM ---Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Did you or did you not "turn me onto" a National Geographic documentary which shows the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville at issue still parked next to the "Island" [fill in the blank] minutes / hours after the assassination?
In that footage, do we or do we not see Inspector Sawyer's car parked closest to the camera next to the TSBD?
If that's not Inspector Sawyer's car, all I can say is BFD.
Pardon my German.
Whether or not Amos Euins was inside that car at that time and whether or not it was Inspector Sawyers' car is immaterial to what we're debating.
The important thing is that two light-colored cars can be seen parked next to the TSBD behind "Inspector Sawyer's car," and one or the other of them could very well have been the light-colored car that your 1959 Pontiac Bonneville Getaway Car visually merged with in Wiegman.
-- Tom
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All that matters is the Wiegman Film. The "getaway" car was Not there when Wiegman filmed the Island. As I have told you many, many, times. Your JFK Assassination foundation is weak. Try to remember, THE WIEGMAN FILM.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on February 27, 2026, 10:08:21 PM ---All that matters is the Wiegman Film. The "getaway" car was Not there when Wiegman filmed the Island. As I have told you many, many, times. Your JFK Assassination foundation is weak. Try to remember, THE WIEGMAN FILM.
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Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Can the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" be seen parked next to the "Island" at the 8:56 mark in the National Geographic documentary you turned me onto?
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFiqLzeKJ4
Yes, or no?
Regardless, in the frames around that 8:56 mark, can you see the two light-colored cars that are parked next to the TSBD and behind (i.e., in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot) the car I've been calling "Inspector Sawyers' Car"?
Yes, or no?
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on February 27, 2026, 08:56:06 PM ---Dear Sonderführer Storing,
Yes, there is.
In the pertinent Wiegman frames, part (James Hackerott says it's a middle part) of your "Abandoned Getaway Car" is visually merged with a light-colored car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension.
Now that's been established, we're trying to figure out exactly which of the light-colored cars parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension in various photographs and films -- taken before, during, and after the shooting -- is the one in Wiegman that's merging with your light-colored 1958 Pontiac Bonneville parked next to the "Island."
When I say "visually merging" with your "Getaway Car" I mean perhaps just the rear part (or, more likely and as James Hackerott prefers -- a farther forward part) of said 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" is overlapping the light-colored car in the background. Whether we're seeing the rear part or the middle part of your "Getaway Car," what really "seals the deal" that it really IS your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Getaway Car is the distinctive 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "jet exhaust" design on its side, plus the fact that its passenger's-side rear tire and its passenger's-side front tire and [fill in the blank] are also visible in certain Wiegman frames.
Perhaps the light-colored car that your "Getaway Car" is visually overlapping in Wiegman is one of those two light-colored cars that were still parked next to the TSBD and behind Inspector Sawyer's car when Amos Euins was put in it a few minutes after the assassination in the National Geographic documentary you turned me onto a few months ago!
Warning: One of those two light-colored cars behind Inspector Sawyers' car is barely visible in said documentary.
-- Tom
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The Nat Geo snippet was important due to it showing the car that was parked 2 cars IN FRONT of Sawyer's car. THAT is the car that was being mistaken for a car parked alongside the island on the Wiegman Film. This was all due to yet another "Lego" visual aid screw up. And now here You are, focusing on cars parked BEHIND Inspector Sawyer's that arrived well after Wiegman filmed the Island.
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