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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences
« Reply #70 on: Yesterday at 10:16:02 PM »
You are unserious, a borderline troll. I notice that, yet again, you declined to address a single fact that I presented.

Of course, I don't blame you for not attempting to address the facts, since you've usually gotten your clock cleaned when you've done so.

Apparently I am living in your head, and rent free at that.

MTG cuts me to the quick (where is my quick anyway?). I am an exceedingly serious, well-over-the-borderline troll and proud of it.

The problem in dealing with cranks like MTG is that it's essentially hopeless. I will spend the time to bust an occasional MTG-type factoid when it interests me, but I recognize I'm just amusing myself. Cranks like MTG will be repeating the factoid the next day and the day after that. There is something seriously wrong with the thought processes of these people. If you take MTG seriously, there is something seriously wrong with you. Seriously wrong.

Let's just take the factoid with which MTG closes one of his posts above, to wit:

BTW, Oswald's former landlady in New Orleans, Mrs. Jesse Garner, told HSCA investigators that Ferrie visited her home shortly after the assassination and asked about Oswald's library card. Of course, the answer from WC defenders is that Mrs. Garner must have been "mistaken" or "fabricating."

Uh, not exactly - and there is no real mystery. Bannister buddy Jack Martin, who hated Ferrie, started a rumor that Ferrie's library card had been found on Oswald when he was arrested. Understandably, this sent Ferrie into a bit of a panic. On November 23, the day after the assassination, the Times Picayune ran a story about Oswald that had numerous quotations from two neighbors who had lived on either side of him on Magazine Street, including Mrs. Garner. Ferrie, as part of his effort to determine what the heck this library card story was all about, visited both of these neighbors - apparently on November 26. Fred Litwin goes into all this in considerable detail at his site, https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-lee-harvey-oswald-have-david-ferrie-s-library-card. There is no suggestion that Mrs. Garner was fabricating.

Mrs. Garner was interviewed by the New Orleans Police Department, the FBI, the Secret Service and the Warren Commission in 1963-64. Oddly, she said nothing about any visit by Ferrie. In 1969, at the Shaw trial, she identified Ferrie as having visited her home either the evening of the JFKA or the next evening. She said nothing about any library card, although hearsay objections prohibited her from testifying as to what Ferrie had said. When interviewed by an HSCA investigator in 1978, she now said it was the very night of the assassination at 10:30 or 11 PM. When she testified to the HSCA, it was now 9 PM on the night of the JFKA.

The HSCA was skeptical of Mrs. Garner's timing of the visit. The night of the JFKA was before Martin had even started his rumor. Moreover, Ferrie, Beauboeuf and Coffey said that on the night of the JFKA they ate dinner in Kenner from 7-9 PM, then left for Houston. This dovetails with an arrival in Houston at 4:30 AM, when they checked in. The other neighbor Ferrie had visited, Doris Eames, was clear that the visit was after the JFKA and identified the date as November 26.

So there is no big mystery. Ferrie did indeed visit these women in a panic over a Martin-fueled rumor that Oswald had been arrested with his library card. No one is suggesting that Mrs. Garner was fabricating. She was simply off on the date.

The proverbial much ado about nothing. No dark conspiratorial implications at all.

Will MTG go right on repeating this and 1000 other bogus factoids to promote his wacky ideas? But of course! Hey, if you're as nutty as he is, lap it up. If not, listen to us serious, non-borderline trolls.


Offline Lance Payette

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Re: The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences
« Reply #71 on: Yesterday at 11:35:19 PM »
I didn't realise Lou Ivon made this claim. Do you have a source for this?

It seems a bit fantastic that Ferrie would say these things because by saying these things Ferrie was in a way tying himself up with Oswald, as how else would Ferrie know these things?

And I thought Ferrie was trying to distance himself from LHO, not tie himself up with him.

Ivon was also a Harvey and Lee sort of guy (before there was a Harvey and Lee) who wrote that what he "really thought" was that the defector who returned from the USSR was "not really Lee." He thought Robert realized this as well. But don't let that get in the way of your thinking.