Debunking Griffith's ridiculous claims!

[Paul J Cummings]

So what? Been over 2,000 books on the JFKA. People don't write books on the JFKA to make money, if anything it's quite the opposite. LHO wasn't on the 6th floor when the motorcade went by the TSBD nor did he shoot JFK. There's no credible evidence that even shots were even fired from the alleged snipers nest.

[Tom Graves]

So what? Been over 2,000 books on the JFKA. People don't write books on the JFKA to make money, if anything it's quite the opposite. LHO wasn't on the 6th floor when the motorcade went by the TSBD nor did he shoot JFK. There's no credible evidence that even shots were even fired from the alleged snipers nest.

Dear Paul,

You're full of beans and KGB* disinformation whether you realize it or not.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom

[Paul J Cummings]

Don't you have some KGB agents to find?

[John Mytton]

So what? Been over 2,000 books on the JFKA. People don't write books on the JFKA to make money, if anything it's quite the opposite. LHO wasn't on the 6th floor when the motorcade went by the TSBD nor did he shoot JFK. There's no credible evidence that even shots were even fired from the alleged snipers nest.

1. Oswald had no verifiable alibi, so your conclusion is not supported by evidence.

2. The sizable bullet fragments recovered from the Limo and Parkland ALL came from Oswald's rifle which was recovered from the 6th floor!

3. "Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and several seconds later I heard two more shots. I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I also could here(sic) the bolt action of the rifle. I saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me."
Harold Norman affidavit from the 4th day of December, 1963.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/norman_1.htm

4. Oswald immediately flees from the crime scene and kills a cop and then tries to kill more cops at the Texas Theatre. If Oswald wasn't in flight from committing murder then why the need to kill cops?

5. Oswald while in custody said numerous provable lies about the rifle and associated events concerning the rifle.

I could go on but it's getting late and I've had enough of the CT BS for one day.

JohnM

[Paul J Cummings]

None of which is tied to LHO. You just keep regurgitatig the Warren Commission. I guess affidavits don't mean shit to you when both Weismann and Craig said it was a a Mauser. Harold Norman never identified LHO. I'm done and clearly the only homework you've done is via the Warren Commission.

"If you studied this case and come to the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, you're either ignorant to the facts or lying." J. Gary Shaw

1. Oswald had no verifiable alibi, so your conclusion is not supported by evidence.

2. The sizable bullet fragments recovered from the Limo and Parkland ALL came from Oswald's rifle which was recovered from the 6th floor!

3. "Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and several seconds later I heard two more shots. I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I also could here(sic) the bolt action of the rifle. I saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me."
Harold Norman affidavit from the 4th day of December, 1963.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/norman_1.htm

4. Oswald immediately flees from the crime scene and kills a cop and then tries to kill more cops at the Texas Theatre. If Oswald wasn't in flight from committing murder then why the need to kill cops?

5. Oswald while in custody said numerous provable lies about the rifle and associated events concerning the rifle.

I could go on but it's getting late and I've had enough of the CT BS for one day.

JohnM

[Tom Graves]

Don't you have some KGB agents to find?

Dear Paul,

The witting ones have pretty much all been uncovered by now whereas the "useful idiot" ones like you and Michael T. Griffith are legion, like a horde of locusts.

-- Tom

[Paul J Cummings]

And you're an asshole who will be ignored from here on in. Go find some KGB agents TG.

Dear Paul,

The witting ones have pretty much all been uncovered by now whereas the "useful idiot" ones like you and Michael T. Griffith are legion, like a horde of locusts.

-- Tom

[Lance Payette]

None of which is tied to LHO. You just keep regurgitatig the Warren Commission. I guess affidavits don't mean shit to you when both Weismann and Craig said it was a a Mauser.

Paul, you are making the classic “epistemological” (thinking) error that CTers make. I would refer you to my last post on MTG’s “Fragile House of Cards” thread.

No one is ignoring the identification of the rifle as a Mauser. The Carcano’s action is very similar to a Mauser’s. In the context of the evidence as a whole, the identifications were simply good-faith mistakes (with the possible exception of Craig, who became increasingly erratic). Weitzman admitted as much.

Given the huge body of evidence that Oswald’s Carcano was found on the sixth floor and fired the shots, “the gun was actually a Mauser” is not a rational conclusion. “The witnesses were mistaken” is the rational conclusion (Craig being an outlier whom, I believe, was simply lying in his post-JFKA days).

As I point out on the “Fragile House of Cards” thread, you are doing what CTers do: In MTG’s terms, “If the gun was a Mauser … the lone-gunman narrative collapses!” First, the LN narrative is not a single piece of evidence; it is a vast body of evidence, reasonable inferences and logic. Weighed against that vast body, the claim that the gun was a Mauser simply isn’t credible. “The witnesses were mistaken” is what’s credible. Indeed, “the gun was actually a Mauser” would raise an entire host of problems in its own right as to what happened to the Mauser and so forth.

In my “Beginner’s Guide to the Conspiracy Game,” I pointed out that if three eyewitnesses say the hit-and-run car was “dark,” “bluish” and “reddish,” then in Conspiracy World there were three cars and a garden-variety hit-and-run becomes a conspiracy. When a suspect is later arrested in a maroon car, the CTers will forever insist he was a patsy or at best only one of the three conspirators.

It simply isn’t rational to attach significant weight to the Mauser identification – but this is the sort of flawed reasoning in which MTG specializes and CTers engage all the time. Literally, all the time. Up is really down, white is really black, the Carcano was really a Mauser.