The Unraveling of Richard Case Nagell

[Fred Litwin]

The Unraveling of Richard Case Nagell

Here is a video about Richard Case Nagell. It is based upon his lawsuit to get full disability from the United States government. He eventually won his lawsuit.

[Michael T. Griffith]

The Unraveling of Richard Case Nagell

Here is a video about Richard Case Nagell. It is based upon his lawsuit to get full disability from the United States government. He eventually won his lawsuit.

I notice the video does not explain how Nagell had the names of several CIA officers in his notebook. Anyone who claims that Nagell was insane (he most certainly was not) and that he was only a low-level counter-intel officer in the Army needs to explain how in the world he could have known the names of not one or two but six CIA officers.

Here is where my decades of intel experience gives me a broader, deeper perspective. I worked with several Army counter-intel guys. For nearly a year, my direct operational boss was an Army counter-intel guy. I got briefed at least 15 times by Army counter-intel officers/officials. I worked at two NSA sites. I worked several joint intel assignments where we had guys from several three-letter intel agencies, including the CIA. Personally, I never knew of any CIA guys who would even use their real names on assignments, and certainly not in operations. Sometimes you would not even know when someone was CIA--they would be placed under the guise of working for a different agency, and you would find out later that they were CIA.

No Army counter-intel officer working under CIC or in any other CIA-connected capacity is going to know the names of six CIA personnel. That is not going to happen. He will work with one CIA contact, maybe two on rare occasions, and he probably won't even know the CIA guy's real name.

I can assure you that it is astonishing that an Army counter-intel guy would have, much less write down, the names of six CIA personnel. That is extremely suspicious and unusual. If you don't believe me, find someone who has had a TS/SCI clearance, with caveats, and who has worked joint intel assignments, and ask them what they would think if an Army counter-intel guy had the real names of six--not two or three, but six--CIA guys, and also wrote them down, even in a private notebook. I guarantee you they will tell you that this would be extremely unusual and would indicate that the Army counter-intel guy was much more than your usual counter-intel officer.

[Tommy Shanks]

Michael T. Griffith can blather on all he likes about his alleged expertise. The fact of the matter is that Richard Case Nagell had absolutely no involvement in the Kennedy assassination and the evidence for his alleged activities absolutely disintegrates upon further study, as Fred Litwin has shown time and time again on his blog.

[Tom Graves]

Michael T. Griffith can blather on all he likes about his alleged expertise. The fact of the matter is that Richard Case Nagell had absolutely no involvement in the Kennedy assassination and the evidence for his alleged activities absolutely disintegrates upon further study, as Fred Litwin has shown time and time again on his blog.

Unless he's right that the Soviets really did want him to prevent Oswald from following through on his mission.

[Gerry Down]

I notice the video does not explain how Nagell had the names of several CIA officers in his notebook. Anyone who claims that Nagell was insane (he most certainly was not) and that he was only a low-level counter-intel officer in the Army needs to explain how in the world he could have known the names of not one or two but six CIA officers.

Here is where my decades of intel experience gives me a broader, deeper perspective. I worked with several Army counter-intel guys. For nearly a year, my direct operational boss was an Army counter-intel guy. I got briefed at least 15 times by Army counter-intel officers/officials. I worked at two NSA sites. I worked several joint intel assignments where we had guys from several three-letter intel agencies, including the CIA. Personally, I never knew of any CIA guys who would even use their real names on assignments, and certainly not in operations. Sometimes you would not even know when someone was CIA--they would be placed under the guise of working for a different agency, and you would find out later that they were CIA.

No Army counter-intel officer working under CIC or in any other CIA-connected capacity is going to know the names of six CIA personnel. That is not going to happen. He will work with one CIA contact, maybe two on rare occasions, and he probably won't even know the CIA guy's real name.

I can assure you that it is astonishing that an Army counter-intel guy would have, much less write down, the names of six CIA personnel. That is extremely suspicious and unusual. If you don't believe me, find someone who has had a TS/SCI clearance, with caveats, and who has worked joint intel assignments, and ask them what they would think if an Army counter-intel guy had the real names of six--not two or three, but six--CIA guys, and also wrote them down, even in a private notebook. I guarantee you they will tell you that this would be extremely unusual and would indicate that the Army counter-intel guy was much more than your usual counter-intel officer.

Is it possible he got those 6 names from the 1968 book Who's Who in CIA?

[Tom Graves]

Is it possible he got those 6 names from the 1968 book Who's Who in CIA?

Naive question.

[Tom Graves]

I notice the video does not explain how Nagell had the names of several CIA officers in his notebook.

Dear Comrade Griffith,

On 3/03/65, a CIA officer by the name of Robert J. Leonard sent a "SECRET" memo to the Chief of the (mole-hunting) Office of Security's Security Research Staff's Research Branch (C/OS/SRS/RB), probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up), regarding John Richard Sloss, a CIA officer whose name was found in Nagell's notebook.

I’m unable to copy and paste the URL here, but you can find the memo by going to the Mary Ferrell Foundation and typing into the RIF search box this number: 104-10123-10035.

Here’s the unredacted part of the neatly-redacted memo:

First page:

“His name is perhaps identical with a name among six names of agency employees found on a mentally disturbed and disaffected form CIG intelligence officer who alleges contact with Russian and Cuban intelligence agents.”

The second-and-final page:

“3. The name of John Sloss may be identical with the name J. Sloss found on the person of Richard Case Nagell when arrested in connection with a bank robbery in El Paso, Texas, on 20 September 1963. A notebook found on Nagell made reference to Fair Play for Cuba Committee, the addresses of foreign embassies, the names of purported CIA agents and other information. Although Nagell is unquestionably mentally unbalanced, he tells a story of being involved in espionage which is not fully contradicted by evidence. There is no apparent explanation of why the name J. Sloss as well as five other names of CIA personnel should have been in the possession of Richard Case Nagell. The weird story of Nagell is contained in a chronological listing of his activities appended to this this memorandum.”

-- Tom