The Strange Anti-Conspiracy Argument about Which View Is Less Troubling

[Michael T. Griffith]

What do you expect after sixty-two years of KGB disinformation, including Oliver Stone's self-described mythological ("to counter the myth of the Warren Report") "JFK," which was largely based on Jim Garrison's book, "On the Trail of the Assassins," which in turn was based on a KGB article published in a communist-owned Italian newspaper?

Oh, so your view is a decidedly minority view because of the KGB! Yeah, okay. Thanks for sharing.

THE conspiracy view? LOL! Which one?

This is juvenile nit-picking. There are plenty of differing versions of the lone-gunman theory (e.g., Jim Moore vs. Gerald Posner, Larry Sturdivan vs. most other lone-gunman theorists, Lattimer vs. most other lone-gunman theorists, the autopsy doctors vs. the HSCA medical panel, etc., etc.). Apparently you could not tell that I was speaking generally. "The conspiracy view" refers to the basic position that JFK's death was not merely the work of one man but involved a number of people.

There are a fair number of people who posit a non-conspiracy view that has Oswald only firing two shots and has a Secret Service agent accidentally firing the head shot.

There are gullible people on both sides of the political spectrum, Comrade Griffith.

"Comrade"? No sane person who knows anything about my politics would refer to me in this manner.

Frankly, I'm surprised the moderators allow you to keep spewing your crazy KGB obsessions in this forum to such a degree. You are unserious and immune to persuasion.

[Tommy Shanks]

You are unserious and immune to persuasion.

And you believe every long-debunked conspiracy theory about the medical evidence...

[Steve M. Galbraith]

And you believe every long-debunked conspiracy theory about the medical evidence...

And, among other items, he keeps repeating the claim that Sirhan *never* admitted to shooting RFK. Even though Sirhan admitted to it in his trial and in multiple interviews.

The idea that Michael Griffith can credibly accuse another person of being closed minded is risible.

[Tommy Shanks]

The idea that Michael Griffith can credibly accuse another person of being closed minded is risible.

Amen!

[Tom Graves]

Oh, so your view is a decidedly minority view because of the KGB! Yeah, okay. Thanks for sharing.

Dear Comrade Griffith,

Public opinion about the JFKA since Oliver Stone's film JFK isn't the first time that "the majority" has been dreadfully wrong about something, nor is it the last.

Take, for example, the catastrophic 2016 and 2024 election results due, in part, to the deleterious effects that decades of KGB* "active measures" have had on the gullible minds of so many ignorant and patriotic-like-you Americans.

*Today's SVR and FSB

-- Tom

[Jake Maxwell]

BUMP...

[Tom Graves]

Dear Fancy Pants Lance,

You wrote:

In 2007: My brother-in-law, who has a Tom Graves-type perspective on the KGB, had filled me full of horror stories and the need to be ultra-careful - to the extent of warning me that KGB super-microphones would pick up everything I said in the family car on the Minsk streets. I got off the plane at the Minsk airport and walked through a security gate with my laptop slung over my shoulder, only to encounter a woman in uniform. Attempting to show how cooperative I was, I took the initiative and asked, "Do you want to look at my laptop?" She shook her head and said, "You don't have anything on there I need to see, do you?" - clearly communicating "Just say no, stupid, because I really don't want to go through this silly exercise." That pretty much told me all I needed to know about the KGB. On four subsequent trips, I never gave a thought to the KGB, pretty much acted as though I were on vacation in Illinois, and never had the slightest problem. You do have to register with the Interior Ministry within 24 hours after your arrival, but even that was always much ado about nothing. Since you are "on to" the KGB and make no bones about it, Tom, it's kind of surprising you're still alive. Shouldn't you be a mystery death or something by now? If we hear you suddenly suffered a bad case of spontaneous combustion, I'll take a closer look at this stuff.


My reply:


2007?

Did that nice uniform-wearing woman say that to you before or after Putin’s game-changing 2/10/07 anti-US / anti-NATO speech at the Munich Security Conference?

How about 4/26/07 when he started waging full-on electronic warfare against Estonia?

You do know that he'd sent Anna Chapman and the Ten Dwarfs (or was it Eleven?) to spy in the U.S. seven years earlier, don't you, and that the FBI didn't "roll them up" until 2010?

Regardless, in response to your story about your “paranoiac” Belorussian brother-in-law, we know from what Greville Wynne told his British debriefers after he was released from a Soviet prison for his involvement with the CIA's / MI6's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Oleg Penkovsky, that the KGB placed such a hi-tech “bug” on their Moscow restaurant table two weeks after Penkovsky’s April 1961 recruitment in London that it was able to pick up, without any background noise, his asking Wynne (or perhaps the other way around) about “Zeph,” a London bargirl whose nickname the Soviets mistook for “Zepp” and feared was a penetration of the KGB.

The interesting thing is that a KGB false-defector-in-place, Yuri Nosenko, asked CIA officers Tennent H. Bagley and (probable mole) George Kisevalter about “Zepp” in June 1962 at a Geneva safehouse.

You can read more about “The Zepp Incident” in my Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley.

*Today’s SVR and FSB

-- Tom

Edited and bumped for Fancy Pants Lance and his ideological buddy, Steve M. Galbraith.