The "real" limo is in Kansas?

[Alex Harris]

Hi all,

This will be my first post in this forum, so I apologize if this is not a great post. Most of you will know me as the person behind the YouTube channel "The JFK Theorist".

I lived in Texas for 2 years with my father, and he had told me something very interesting relating to the presidential limousine even before I had moved down there with him. He apparently worked for some bank in the early 2000s who had their computer systems in some caves out in Lenexa, Kansas, (the "Meritex" industrial park) where the National Archives also has a facility underground. At some point, he said he saw it just parked in the National Archives' portion of the caves, sitting exactly as it was in 1963 with the top off and the seats still stained.

I even showed him a photo of the limo in early 1964 in the White House garage, and he immediately said that it looked identical.



I did look into this to see if he may have been misremembering it at all, and contacted F. Nick Ciacelli (owner of the replica limo used for Oliver Stone's "JFK" among other movies) to see if it may have been his limo, and he said it couldn't have been, and that he had never stored it there. I did have an opportunity to speak with someone else on this who I can't name as of now, and he was able to tell me that he had heard other accounts of the limo being other places, but didn't tell me anything else.

I'm curious to see if anyone else has seen what appeared to be the original limo somewhere else? It's supposedly in the Ford Museum in Michigan, but I'm starting to doubt that.

[Gerry Down]

Is it possible your father saw some type of replica made for some oddities museum out in the middle of nowhere which went out off business and sold it's museum items, one of which was put in the cave for storage? Or perhaps it was a bank repossession from such a museum that became bankrupt?

Some museums use regular length Lincoln Continentals for such museum displays but would not be likely to use a stretch limo version as these were specially built and would be very expensive for a small-time museum to commission. As far as I know there is only one such stretch limo in existence which belongs to the guy you mentioned.

Does your father remember if it was a regular size Lincoln Continental or a stretch limo version?

There was a second dark blue Lincoln Continental which JFK had which not many people are aware of, but I think that was a shorter version of the one in Dallas. But I'm not sure.

[Alex Harris]

Is it possible your father saw some type of replica made for some oddities museum out in the middle of nowhere which went out off business and sold it's museum items, one of which was put in the cave for storage? Or perhaps it was a bank repossession from such a museum that became bankrupt?

Some museums use regular length Lincoln Continentals for such museum displays but would not be likely to use a stretch limo version as these were specially built and would be very expensive for a small-time museum to commission. As far as I know there is only one such stretch limo in existence which belongs to the guy you mentioned.

Does your father remember if it was a regular size Lincoln Continental or a stretch limo version?

There was a second dark blue Lincoln Continental which JFK had which not many people are aware of, but I think that was a shorter version of the one in Dallas. But I'm not sure.

The part of the facility he worked in was not "storage" and was more just dedicated to some banking computers. He specified that he saw it in the National Archives portion of the caves, and that they had a separate room for the limo. Unfortunately he didn't say much else about it though. He had never even heard of it being at the Henry Ford Museum, and was rather surprised when I told him.

I'm not saying that I necessarily believe him, but I find it hard to believe he fabricated all of it. Maybe I'm putting too much trust in him though.

I've tried looking for any corraborative source about this, and can't find anything even saying that vehicles are stored in the caves, so again, not much to go on.

[Paul J Cummings]

I believe Queen Mary was rebuilt and has been on display here for a long time.

https://www.thehenryford.org/

[Jarrett Smith]

If your ever in Gettysburg PA, the museum of history has actual pieces of blood stained leather upholstery from the JFK limo.

https://www.gettysburgmuseumofhistory.com/portfolio/part-leather-seat-jfks-limo-stained-blood

[Charles Collins]

Any “Elvis sightings” lately?

[Louis Earl]

These swatches come up for sale on Ebay from time to time.  Authentication is a problem.

[Tom Graves]

Actually, the museum is a veritable storehouse of Weird Presidential Stuff: https://www.gettysburgmuseumofhistory.com/gallery/presidents-from-george-washington-abraham-lincoln-fdr-jfk/. Part of George Washington's original coffin!

Last month I visited the Chapel of the Holy Cross in Sedona. They have relics of all twelve Apostles, as well as Paul and Barnabas. Really! I asked if they had anything JFK-related, but all they have is a couple of .38 Auto shells, ostensibly from the Tippit murder.

Dear FPR,

Were any of them dented?

The shells, I mean.

-- Tom