Proof Rosemary Willis had started looking towards the TSBD by Z-145

[Royell Storing]

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

   2 seconds is a very long time. With respect to timing, how does the End of the Towner Film match up with the Robert Croft photo?

[Tom Graves]

Two seconds is a very long time. With respect to timing, how does the end of the Towner film match up with the Robert Croft photo?

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

She said, "a second or two, if that."

-- Tom

[Charles Collins]

   2 seconds is a very long time. With respect to timing, how does the End of the Towner Film match up with the Robert Croft photo?

According to Dale Myers’ synchronization of the films, the end of the Towner film segment was 10.66 seconds before the head shot at Z313; and the beginning of the Zapruder film was 9.87 seconds before Z313. So less than 1 second (0.79 second) elapsed between the two films.

The Robert Croft photo was taken at about Z161. And according to Myers, Z160 is 8.36 seconds before Z313. Subtract 0.05 seconds for one frame to equate the time to get to Z161 and we have 8.31 seconds before Z313. Subtract 8.31 from 10.66 equals 2.35 seconds elapsed time between the end of the Towner film segment and Croft’s photo (if I did all of that correctly).

[Royell Storing]

According to Dale Myers’ synchronization of the films, the end of the Towner film segment was 10.66 seconds before the head shot at Z313; and the beginning of the Zapruder film was 9.87 seconds before Z313. So less than 1 second (0.79 second) elapsed between the two films.

The Robert Croft photo was taken at about Z161. And according to Myers, Z160 is 8.36 seconds before Z313. Subtract 0.05 seconds for one frame to equate the time to get to Z161 and we have 8.31 seconds before Z313. Subtract 8.31 from 10.66 equals 2.35 seconds elapsed time between the end of the Towner film segment and Croft’s photo (if I did all of that correctly).

    Roughly 2.3 seconds between the end of the Towner Film and the Croft Photo? I have a problem with that extended time spacing. The Croft Photo shows almost the end of the short wall that those people were sitting on. A sidewalk runs down the other side of that wall. That sidewalk ends at the Tall Stone Monument. This tall stone monument is close to the RL Thornton sign. The Tall Stone Monument and the RL Thornton Sign are landmarks/bookends to keep in mind. The Towner Film shows the JFK Limo passing by the stone monument. The stone monument is then completely out of the Towner film. The JFK Theorist has posted 3 different versions of the Towner Film on YOU TUBE. The 3rd version is the Sixth Floor Museum copy with between the sprocket holes. I recommend examining that copy of Towner Film. A shot was allegedly fired at about the point where the JFK Limo passes by the Thornton sign. This is also the point where the Willis girl pulls up/stops running. I believe 2.3 seconds between the Towner/Croft images is way too long. Originally, the elapsed time for ALL 3 shots was 6 seconds. Now we have 2 images showing the JFK Limo reaching the Thornton sign with an alleged time gap between the 2 images being 2.3 seconds? Really? If this extended 2.3 second time gap is accurate, we once again have JFK Assassination Images in conflict. What new?   

[Charles Collins]

    Roughly 2.3 seconds between the end of the Towner Film and the Croft Photo? I have a problem with that extended time spacing. The Croft Photo shows almost the end of the short wall that those people were sitting on. A sidewalk runs down the other side of that wall. That sidewalk ends at the Tall Stone Monument. This tall stone monument is close to the RL Thornton sign. The Tall Stone Monument and the RL Thornton Sign are landmarks/bookends to keep in mind. The Towner Film shows the JFK Limo passing by the stone monument. The stone monument is then completely out of the Towner film. The JFK Theorist has posted 3 different versions of the Towner Film on YOU TUBE. The 3rd version is the Sixth Floor Museum copy with between the sprocket holes. I recommend examining that copy of Towner Film. A shot was allegedly fired at about the point where the JFK Limo passes by the Thornton sign. This is also the point where the Willis girl pulls up/stops running. I believe 2.3 seconds between the Towner/Croft images is way too long. Originally, the elapsed time for ALL 3 shots was 6 seconds. Now we have 2 images showing the JFK Limo reaching the Thornton sign with an alleged time gap between the 2 images being 2.3 seconds? Really? If this extended 2.3 second time gap is accurate, we once again have JFK Assassination Images in conflict. What new?   

Take a look at the following image. It shows the location of the vehicles at about .05 seconds after Zapruder’s film segment begins. This would still be be less than a second after the Towner film segment ends. I have drawn a red line to depict Tina Towner’s angle to JFK. I have drawn a blue line to depict Croft’s angle to JFK.



Please notice that in Tina Towner’s angle that the middle area of the background includes the east shelter of the north pergola. Please notice that in Croft’s angle that the TSBD is in the middle area of the background at that particular time (a little over 2 seconds before Croft actually took his photo). The pergola shelter is significantly past (aka: to the west of) the TSBD. Yet the two different backgrounds would be shown in a (hypothetical) photo from Tina and Croft that were taken at the exact same time. That effect caused by the two different points of view (aka: angles) is something that I think you need to take into account in your assessment. If you do, I think you might see that there really isn’t any conflict between the two images.

For what it is worth, I believe that I have read that at the average speed of the limo it would be traveling roughly one foot per Zapruder frame or roughly one car length per second.

[Royell Storing]

   The image you posted depicting the area that the Croft Photo included is wrong. Based on that image, the Croft Photo should include the Tall Stone Monument at the end of the sidewalk extending down from the East Shelter. That tall stone monument is Not on the 3 different copies of the Croft Photo I looked at.
    I prefer to address 1 issue at a time regarding the image you posted. I believe this image has other distance issues within it. Since we are talking about when a shot was possibly fired, distances between landmarks are critical.   

[Andrew Mason]

Per Tina Towner in her book:

I believe Daddy was about to head down the hill to get another photo, but there was not enough time before the first gunshot sounded—only a second or two, if that, after I stopped filming.

If I remember correctly, her film stops about one second before Z133.

Here is Tina Towner's last frame:


This is the position of JFK on Elm St. at that time. The sightline from Tina Towner to JFK goes through the motorcyclist's helmet which is between the east end of the pillar on the pergola and the darker pillar to the right side of the helmet:

In her Sixth Floor Oral History from 1996 she said the first shot occurred 4 or 5 maybe 6 seconds after she stopped filming - see the 1:14:40 point of the video:
 


This is consistent with what she previously said she did between the time she stopped filming and the first shot, although her previous estimates of the time were 1 or 2 seconds or a few seconds. 

[Charles Collins]

   The image you posted depicting the area that the Croft Photo included is wrong. Based on that image, the Croft Photo should include the Tall Stone Monument at the end of the sidewalk extending down from the East Shelter. That tall stone monument is Not on the 3 different copies of the Croft Photo I looked at.
    I prefer to address 1 issue at a time regarding the image you posted. I believe this image has other distance issues within it. Since we are talking about when a shot was possibly fired, distances between landmarks are critical.

Read my post again please. I DID NOT indicate that Croft’s angle was of the point in time when he took his photo. That was over 2-seconds later.