When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?

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Re: When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2025, 10:32:46 PM »
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A say 65% edge-contact on a thin chromed strip stopped the large slug from entering the door, compared to the entry of its 4 mates.

   I like all the work you have put into the possibility of SA Hickey firing the AR-15. I draw the line with your pushing a clean shot from the AR-15 would only "dent" the chrome striping above the JFK Limo Windshield. 

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Re: When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?
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Re: When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2025, 11:12:55 PM »
   I like all the work you have put into the possibility of SA Hickey firing the AR-15. I draw the line with your pushing a clean shot from the AR-15 would only "dent" the chrome striping above the JFK Limo Windshield.
It would be good if someone did tests re the dent of an AR15 hollow point (versus non-hollow point) on a chromed stainless (preferably with a bent/crimped shape as per limo) over a strong steel rectangular tube (as per limo).

I used 30 stainless steel droppers/spacers for my balcony fence. I drilled 13 small holes per dropper for 13 stainless steel horizontal wires (390 holes).
I drilled 26 holes in each of 11 heavy channel mild steel columns spaced at intervals along the fence as a part of the fence (& for roof support).
Drilling the small holes in the SS was murder.
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Re: When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2025, 06:09:38 PM »
It would be good if someone did tests re the dent of an AR15 hollow point (versus non-hollow point) on a chromed stainless (preferably with a bent/crimped shape as per limo) over a strong steel rectangular tube (as per limo).

I used 30 stainless steel droppers/spacers for my balcony fence. I drilled 13 small holes per dropper for 13 stainless steel horizontal wires (390 holes).
I drilled 26 holes in each of 11 heavy channel mild steel columns spaced at intervals along the fence as a part of the fence (& for roof support).
Drilling the small holes in the SS was murder.

    I believe the SS had a loaded AR-15 on the floorboard of the Queen Mary due to its' serious firepower. Serious Firepower would not simply "ding" a direct hit on a chrome strip. 

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Re: When-oh-when did Clint Hill leap from the Secret Service follow-up car?
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    I believe the SS had a loaded AR-15 on the floorboard of the Queen Mary due to its' serious firepower. Serious Firepower would not simply "ding" a direct hit on a chrome strip.
If Oswald made the dent then that would have to have been with his first shot (at about) Z105.
Oswald's second (ie final) shot at Z218 was the magic bullet & could not have made the dent.

I suppose that a pointed full metal jacket AR15 slug might have made a hole in the chrome & in the underlying steel frame.
A hollow point slug would be very hot at short range (say 22 ft). And a spinning hot slug would i think possibly emit a bit of lead before it even reached the chrome, due to centrifugal force, acting on the hot skin, depending on the thickness of any copper coating (just thinking out loud).

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If Oswald made the dent then that would have to have been with his first shot (at about) Z105.
Oswald's second (ie final) shot at Z218 was the magic bullet & could not have made the dent.

I suppose that a pointed full metal jacket AR15 slug might have made a hole in the chrome & in the underlying steel frame.
A hollow point slug would be very hot at short range (say 22 ft). And a spinning hot slug would i think possibly emit a bit of lead before it even reached the chrome, due to centrifugal force, acting on the hot skin, depending on the thickness of any copper coating (just thinking out loud).

  It's my understanding that the "1st Shot" is alleged to be the "Lost Bullet" that also resulted in the curb strike/Tague cheek scuffing. The ding in the chrome stripping would therefore be the aftermath of shot #3/Head Explosion.

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  It's my understanding that the "1st Shot" is alleged to be the "Lost Bullet" that also resulted in the curb strike/Tague cheek scuffing. The ding in the chrome stripping would therefore be the aftermath of shot #3/Head Explosion.
Holland's ricochet theory re Tague is of course impossible, except that Holland was correct re a ricochet at pseudo Z105 (remnant slug made hole in floor of limo next to Connolly, brass jacket broke into 2 pieces found in limo, lead splatter hitting jfk in the head).
The remnant AR15 slug at Z313 veered & cracked the windshield, a giant veer, but possible.
If Oswald had fired at Z313 then the large veer needed to make the crack in the windshield would be impossible.
The doubly large veer needed to make the dent would be doubly impossible.

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Holland's ricochet theory re Tague is of course impossible, except that Holland was correct re a ricochet at pseudo Z105 (remnant slug made hole in floor of limo next to Connolly, brass jacket broke into 2 pieces found in limo, lead splatter hitting jfk in the head).
The remnant AR15 slug at Z313 veered & cracked the windshield, a giant veer, but possible.
If Oswald had fired at Z313 then the large veer needed to make the crack in the windshield would be impossible.
The doubly large veer needed to make the dent would be doubly impossible.

   What specifically do you mean by, "remnant slug made a hole in floor of limo next to Connally"? Are you claiming a slug made a hole in the floorboard of the JFK Limo?

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   What specifically do you mean by, "remnant slug made a hole in floor of limo next to Connally"? Are you claiming a slug made a hole in the floorboard of the JFK Limo?

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2853.msg158462.html#msg158462

Bullet hole in floor of JFK limo, found during modifications in Dec 1963, & hushed up.  Notice that the hole is not round, it has been made by the remnant slug after ricocheting off the signal arm.  The copper full metal jacket broke in two as usual during the ricochet because it is made in two sections, & these were found in the limo (CE567 CE569).  This pix is not in Robin Unger's gallery, but he does know of the pix.
 

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