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Tom Graves, and the 167-page Kostikov File?
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Radio Free Europe reported in 2017 that the 167-page Kostikov file "has yet to be released."

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Tom Graves, and the 167-page Kostikov File?
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Re: Tom Graves, and the 167-page Kostikov File?
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https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ussr-kennedy-assassination-oswald-kgb-contact-mexico-assassinations-officer/28819941.html

Radio Free Europe reported in 2017 that the 167-page Kostikov file "has yet to be released."

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You mean THIS 167-page file on Kostikov from 3/18/25 (earlier versions of which were released on 11/3/17, 4/26/18 and 12/15/22) ? ? ?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=239452
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Re: Tom Graves, and the 167-page Kostikov File?
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https://www.rferl.org/a/us-ussr-kennedy-assassination-oswald-kgb-contact-mexico-assassinations-officer/28819941.html

Radio Free Europe reported in 2017 that the 167-page Kostikov file "has yet to be released."

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Here's an excerpt from the article you've shared with us:

In a now-declassified memo to the CIA's director in September 1964, FBI head J. Edgar Hoover said his agency's files "do not contain any information to fully support" the CIA's assessment that Kostikov worked for the KGB's 13th Department.

My comments:

This is about the only time J. Edgar Hoover was correct about anything KGB.

As I've stated elsewhere, the only reasons the CIA believed on 11/23/63 that Kostikov was Department 13 were:

1) the fact that Hoover's very own shielded-from-CIA Kremlin-loyal triple agent, KGB Major Aleksei Kulak (FEDORA), had told the Bureau a year earlier that Kostikov's charge at the UN, Igor Brykin, was a Department 13 operative, and

2) the FBI's / CIA's TUMBLEWEED agent, a "former" KGB agent German national crop duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, by the name of Guenter Heinz Schulz (CIA crypt AEBURBLE), told the FBI in February 1963 that Kostikov and Brykin had given him a sabotage-related assignment (pinpointing targets) when he'd met with the former in Mexico City and with the latter in New York.

3) Bonus points: The CIA and the FBI became aware of Oswald's or "Oswald's" alleged meeting with Kostikov only because a Kremlin-loyal triple agent by the name of Ivan Obyedkov "volunteered" Kostikov's Department 13-radioactive name to him over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63, and because the "Comrade Kostin" letter allegedly typed up by Oswald (who implausibly left a draft copy for Russophile Ruth Paine and/or probable KGB agent Marina to read on a piece of furniture in the living room) was intercepted about ten days before the assassination by the FBI before it reached the Soviet Embassy.
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What is your theory/explanation of why there are no photos of LHO in MC?

Thanks for the link to the Kostikov file.




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Re: Tom Graves, and the 167-page Kostikov File?
« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:10:44 AM »
What is your theory/explanation of why there are no photos of LHO in MC?

I believe MC COS Win Scott when he said he had them in his office.

If true, I can only guess that the reason they weren't sent to headquarters (or they were but never released to the public?) was because they showed a KGB, GRU, or DGI involvement. 

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I added this to my previous post:

3) Bonus points: The CIA and the FBI became aware of Oswald's or "Oswald's" alleged meeting with Kostikov only because a Kremlin-loyal triple agent by the name of Ivan Obyedkov "volunteered" Kostikov's Department 13-radioactive name to him over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63, and because the "Comrade Kostin" letter to the Soviet Embassy that was allegedly typed up by Oswald (who implausibly left a draft copy for Russophile Ruthie and/or probable KGB agent Marina to read on a piece of furniture in the living room) was intercepted by the FBI about ten days (iirc) before the assassination.
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I believe MC COS Win Scott when he said he had them in his office.

If true, I can only guess that the reason they weren't sent to headquarters (or they were but never released to the public?) was because they showed a KGB, GRU, or DGI involvement. 

PS

I added this to my previous post:

3) Bonus points: The CIA and the FBI became aware of Oswald's or "Oswald's" alleged meeting with Kostikov only because a Kremlin-loyal triple agent by the name of Ivan Obyedkov "volunteered" Kostikov's Department 13-radioactive name to him over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63, and because the "Comrade Kostin" letter to the Soviet Embassy that was allegedly typed up by Oswald (who implausibly left a draft copy for Russophile Ruthie and/or probable KGB agent Marina to read on a piece of furniture in the living room) was intercepted by the FBI about ten days (iirc) before the assassination.

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Verily, I think the photos were taken also, of LHO in MC.

Never underestimate the chances of a bungle, or that the 1960s-era automatic equipment fizzled, but otherwise for some reason they were suppressed. Even LHO wearing a sombrero covering his face would result in no photos.

Not sure that typing up a draft was so unusual in the 1960s. People used to make drafts, edit by pencil, re-type.

Maayyyyybeeeeee Kostikov was Dept. 13, mmmmaaaayyyybbbeeeeeeee not.


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Re: Tom Graves, and the 167-page Kostikov File?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 10:53:24 AM »
Not sure that typing up a draft was so unusual in the 1960s. People used to make drafts, edit by pencil, re-type.

The putative draft was in LHO's alleged handwriting and, interestingly, had different spelling errors than the typed-up letter.

Ruthie originally said she read the whole draft (and decided to copy it) when she found it folded up and lying on her desk secretary in the living room on Sunday morning and happened to notice that the very first sentence was a "falsehood" about the FBI's allegedly no longer being interested in him, so she felt compelled to read the rest of it just to see what other falsehoods might be in it.

And boy-oh-boy did she find a bunch of them, so she decided to make a copy of it.

That sentence is in the middle of the draft (and typed-up letter), however. 

After the draft had lain there on her desk secretary for "two whole days," she hid it from LHO and Michael Paine while they were moving the living room furniture around for her, and then she stole it . . . and implausibly waited until 11/23/63 to give it to FBI Special Agent James Hosty.
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The putative draft was in LHO's alleged handwriting and, interestingly, had different spelling errors than the typed-up letter.

Ruthie originally said she read the whole draft (and decided to copy it) when she found it folded up and lying on her desk secretary in the living room on Sunday morning and happened to notice that the very first sentence was a "falsehood" about the FBI's allegedly no longer being interested in him, so she felt compelled to read the rest of it just to see what other falsehoods might be in it.

And boy-oh-boy did she find a bunch of them, so she decided to make a copy of it.

That sentence is in the middle of the draft (and typed-up letter), however. 

After the draft had lain there on her desk secretary for "two whole days," she hid it from LHO and Michael Paine while they were moving the living room furniture around for her, and then she stole it . . . and implausibly waited until 11/23/63 to give it to FBI Special Agent James Hosty.

Who knows about Ruth Paine, although she may have been a type now nearly vanished from the American scene: The New England nosy, busybody do-gooder, politically active community spirited, a touch of Puritan.

I last lived a year near Boston in 1962, and among the older ladies there---the League of Women Voters types---you might see a version of Paine.

As for LHO, though people say he had dyslexia, evidently he actually may have had something called dysgraphia.

So LHO would misspell words at random, sometimes differently in the same letter.

LHO's spelling has the unfortunate side-effect of making him seem unlearned. I wonder what the image of LHO would be if he had grown up in the era of spellcheck


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