Benjamin Cole, Sandy Larsen, and Department 13-radioactive Valery Kostikov

[Tom Graves]

On 11 December 2023 at the so-called Ed Forum, Benjamin Cole started a thread titled, "CIA FILE, 11/23/63, Details LHO-Kostikov Meeting."

I've started this thread to inform Benjamin of some things I've learned over the years while studying this particular subject.

The only two reasons the FBI and the CIA believed on 11/23/63 that a KGB officer at the Soviet Consulate in Mexico City by the name of Valery Kostikov was the Western Hemisphere head of the KGB's assassinations and sabotage section, Department 13 of the First Chief Directorate, was because:

1) a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) had told the FBI in 1962 that Kostikov's charge (pardon the pun) at the UN, Igor Brykin, was Department 13, and

2) The FBI's and CIA's TUMBLEWEED agent, a German national crop-duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, by the name of Guenther Heinz Schulz, told them in early 1963 that he had met with Kostikov and Brykin in Mexico City and that they had given him instructions regarding a sabotage operation (pinpointing targets) he was to fulfill for them in the US.

The thing is, given the fact that Schulz had been a recon pilot for Hitler, captured and interred in a POW camp by the Brits, released after the war and recruited by the NKVD/KGB, and (ostensibly) recruited by the OSS/CIA, I personally wouldn't trust him, would you?

It's interesting to note that in 2005, the CIA's official historian, David Robarge, wrote that the Agency never did determine whether or not Kostikov was Department 13.

Two other things to take into consideration in this whole Mexico City scenario is that:

1) the "Oswald" that Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue said they'd dealt on or about 9/27/63 at the Cuban Consulate was described by them in such a way that perfectly matched Raul Castro's and Che's mentor, short, blond-haired, very-thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov, and

2) the Soviet Embassy Security Officer who "volunteered" the Department 13-radioactive name "Kostikov" to Oswald or "Oswald" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63, Ivan Obyedkov, was described by James Angleton in his Church Committee testimony as a Kremlin-loyal triple agent, i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him.

(To be continued . . . )

[Benjamin Cole]

This is too complicated for me to understand.

I suspect LHO was impersonated in MC, but also actually there.

[Tom Graves]

This is too complicated for me to understand.

That's because you're trying to figure out who killed JFK and why.

All I'm saying is that anti-CIA Sandy Larsen's "analysis" of the "Oswald"-in-MC-Scenario and resultant JFKA CT doesn't take those factors into consideration.

Regardless, as an indication of how correct KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn was in his "KGB Master Plan" warning (Nosenko-loving John L. Hart dubbed it "The Monster Plot"), probable "mole" Leonard V. McCoy (Deputy Director of CIA Counterintelligence) loaned pro-Nosenko / anti-Golitsyn "analysts" Sandra Styles and Cynthia Hausmann to counterintelligence-hating James Geer at the FBI so he could overturn James Nolan's very belated but correct determination that Kulak was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent, so that the Bureau's official position today is, "FEDORA really did spy for the FBI for fifteen years."

LOL!

Gag me with a KGB spoon.

BTW, your reply reminds me of the one Paulie "My Parents Were Communists But They Were Good Communists" Brancato gave me at the so-called Ed Forum about seven years ago when I tried to turn him onto Tennent H. Bagley's 2014 article, "Ghosts of the Spy Wars."

(Bagley, by the way, was the author of the 11/23/63 "Kostikov was Department 13" memo that you and Sandy were talking about.)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362

[Tom Graves]

This is too complicated for me to understand.

I suspect LHO was impersonated in MC, but also actually there.

November 1963 Blind Memorandum Subject: Yuriy Vladimirovich Kostikov. [written on 11/27/63 by Tennent H. Bagley, Acting Chief Soviet Russia Division]

“After examining all our traces on Kostikov, we are convinced beyond reasonable doubt that he is a staff officer of the KGB. Contributing to this conclusion are his associates, his movements, his Mexican and other contacts and his cover position, as well as his involvement in the TUMBLEWEED operation. Kostikov’s involvement in TUMBLEWEED is our only reason to believe that he is connected with the 13th Department. Kostikov was in clandestine contact with TUMBLEWEED (that is definitely confirmed by TUMBLEWEED’s photo identification) and arranged TUMBLEWEED’s contact in the US with a KGB colleague of KOSTIKOV’s [Igor Brykin at the UN].”

Hint: The FBI / CIA agent in the TUMBLEWEED op was the aforementioned "former" KGB spy, crop-duster Guenter Heinz Schulz from Snyder, Oklahoma.

[Benjamin Cole]

Verily, Nosenko was a phony.

Someone helped LHO perp the JFKA.

Shots hit at ~Z-218, ~Z-295 and Z-313.

Smoke-and-bang show on GK, man with SS credentials there.

Maybe KGB, G-2, maybe not. Maybe anti-Castro Cuban exiles.

I do not suspect Billy Barty; he was not seen in the TSBD6, and was too short to see over the GK fence.

Tom Graves, all-knowing, all-seeing, The Omniscient, will speak unto us The Truth.

[Tom Graves]

Nosenko was a phony.

Correct.

A false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 -- sent there to protect a "mole" or two in the CIA -- and a false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the US in February 1964.

Someone helped LHO perp the JFKA.

What's that supposed to mean?

Shots hit at ~Z-218, ~Z-295 and Z-313.

LOL!

Good one!

Smoke-and-bang show on GK, man with SS credentials there.

Wowie zowie!

Maybe KGB, G-2, maybe not. Maybe anti-Castro Cuban exiles.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Tom Graves, all-knowing, all-seeing, The Omniscient, will speak unto us The Truth.

It seems you can't handle it.

[Tom Graves]

This is too complicated for me to understand.

I suspect LHO was impersonated in MC, but also actually there.

CIA-hating Sandy Larsen's theory that evil, evil rogue CIA officers sent a 5' 7", skinny, blond-haired, blue-eyed, very-thin-faced, 30-something guy to Mexico City in late September 1963 to impersonate Oswald-impersonator Nikolai Leonov so that the FBI and the mainstream CIA would think the Soviets and the Cubans had collaborated with Oswald to kill JFK fails to take the following things into consideration:

The only two reasons the FBI and the CIA believed on 11/23/63 that a KGB officer at the Soviet Consulate in Mexico City by the name of Valery Kostikov was the Northern Hemisphere head of the KGB's assassinations and sabotage section, Department 13 of the First Chief Directorate, were

1) A Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, Aleksei Kulak (J. Edgar Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) had told the FBI in 1962 that Kostikov's charge (pardon the pun) at the UN, Igor Brykin, was Department 13, and

2) The FBI's and CIA's TUMBLEWEED agent, a German national crop-duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, by the name of Guenther Heinz Schulz, told them in early 1963 that he had met with Kostikov and Brykin in Mexico City and that they had given him instructions regarding a sabotage operation (pinpointing targets) he was to fulfill for them in the US.

Schulz had been a recon pilot for Hitler, captured and interred in a POW camp by the Brits, recruited by the NKVD/KGB, and (ostensibly) recruited by the OSS/CIA after he was released.

I personally wouldn't trust him, would you?

It's interesting to note that in 2005, the CIA's official historian, David Robarge, wrote that the Agency never did determine whether or not Kostikov was Department 13.

Two other things to take into consideration in this whole Mexico City scenario is that:

1) the "Oswald" that Silvia Duran and Eusebio Azcue said they'd dealt on or about 9/27/63 at the Cuban Consulate was described by them in such a way that perfectly matched Raul Castro's and Che's mentor, short, blond-haired, very-thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov, and

2) the Soviet Embassy Security Officer who "volunteered" the Department 13-radioactive name "Kostikov" to Oswald or "Oswald" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63, Ivan Obyedkov, was described by James Angleton in his Church Committee testimony as a Kremlin-loyal triple agent, i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed it had successfully recruited him.