Dale Myers Controversal Diagram

[Gerry Down]

​Recently Dale Myers appeared on an episode of Fred Litwins podcast. In the podcast Myers goes through a series of computer diagrams showing how he believes LHO was walking from east to west along 10th street before he shot Tippit. The Warren Commission believed LHO was walking from west to east (ie had passed in front of Helen Markham) before shooting Tippit. The podcast can be viewed here (with the relevant section starting at 57 minutes):

 

Myers diagrams appear to build a reasonable case that the Tippit shooter had been walking east to west before shooting Tippit. Thats because several people did see this mystery person walking east to west along the sidewalk.  Therefore his existence is not in doubt.

However one of his diagrams I feel is the achilles heel in his whole east to west theory.

The below diagram shows the mystery man walking east to west along the sidewalk. The two people standing in front of the house across the street are Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith. Bill Smith never saw the mystery man walking along the sidewalk (perhaps because he had his back to the street) but Jimmy Burt did see him. The issue arises with the pickup truck parked at the intersection between 10th street and Denver. Two individuals were sitting in the truck having a morning snack. Jim Archer was in the drivers seat and Jimmy Brewer was sitting beside him. Because Brewer was blocking Archers view of the east, Archer never saw the man walking from the east. Brewer did see him however and said that the mystery man did not pass in front of their pick up truck but went behind it. At least that’s what Archer said Brewer said. We don’t know what Brewer himself said as there is apparently no account of what Brewer himself said.





 Myers says, and I’m guessing he is quoting an interview of Archer in this regard (he footnotes a 1998 interview of Archer in his book “With Malice”, that Brewer said that the man walking from east to west went behind their pickup truck and then continued walking west along 10th street towards the Tippit murder scene. The problem though with this is that this is what Archer said Brewer said. This is hearsay. 

For example, Brewer could possibly have said:

"I saw a man walking from the east and he walked around the back of our truck. I guess he could have been the one that then killed Tippit."

Archer may have then misinterpreted this to mean that Archer was saying he saw the man walk behind the truck and actually saw him then continue walking towards the eventual Tippit murder scene. This is the problem with hearsay. The reality is that Brewer may well have lost sight of the mystery man after he walked behind the back of the pickup truck and was just guessing that the mystery man then continued walking towards the eventual Tippit murder scene.

Therefore there is a fundamental problem with Myers theory that this person is the Tippit killer. While there was obviously a man walking on the sidewalk on the east side of the 10th and Denver intersection (as seen by both Burt and Brewer), the last definite sighting we have of this man is of him walking behind the pickup truck that Archer and Brewer were sitting in having a snack. This leaves the very real possibility that the reason the man walked behind the pickup truck was because he was walking south on Denver street, not continuing on 10th street in the direction of the Tippit murder scene. To the best of my knowledge, the witnesses who saw this man did not describe his clothes so we cant compare his clothes to any of the eyewitnesses at 10th and Patton who witnessed the person who shot Tippit.

This is where Myers controversial diagram comes in.

Archer and Brewer are sitting in a parked pickup truck at the intersection of 10th and Denver. Myers appears to have arbitrarily pushed the pickup truck very far out into the intersection in such a way as to block the sidewalk. This would force any walker to then either go around the front or back of the pickup truck if they intended to continue walking along 10th street. The problem though is that I would posit that Myers has no basis for putting the pickup truck in that unusual position where it is blocking the sidewalk. It’s not as though there were other vehicles parked behind him that forced him to park so far out into the intersection (Myers has not drawn any vehicles behind the pickup truck). And no one would want to park in such a position as there would be the chance that walkers would scrape off the vehicle as they walked either in front of or to the back of the pickup truck. The more natural position to park would be the way Scoggins parked his car at 10th and Patton as in the diagram below.



Its my theory, and i’ll admit I’m not as well read up about the Tippit murder as Dale Myers or Bill Brown, but I suspect that Archers pickup truck was more likely parked in a similar position to the way Scoggins parked his car (which is well back from the intersection). And that Brewer saw the mystery man walk behind the pickup truck not because the  mystery man intended to continue walking west along 10th street, but because he was intending to walk south on Denver street.

In other words, the last sighting we likely have of the mystery man has him walking behind Archers pickup truck, and as Archers pickup truck is likely parked more back from the intersection (than is dipicted in Myers diagram), this would put him on a likely trajectory of walking south on Denver, not continuing on to the Tippit murder scene.

As a final point, the WC may have figured this issue out back in 1964. The reason I say this is that it would have been to the WCs advantage if Oswald had been walking from east to west as Myers theorizes before he killed Tippit rather than walking from west to east as they published in their final report. The west to east trajectory the WC used created the probem that LHO was heading in the general direction of Jack Rubys apartment. A problem they had to address in the final report. Myers east to west trajectory however would have removed the problem of Jack Rubys apartment.

[Fred Litwin]

Every time somebody posts my podcast on the education forum, it gets deleted. I am now on a four month suspension for just
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[Tom Graves]

Every time somebody posts my podcast on the education forum, it gets deleted. I am now on a four month suspension for just
replying to a moderators comment on why he took down three of my posts.

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[Benjamin Cole]

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[Tom Graves]

FL-

The EF-JFKA has gone downhill, waaaayyy downhill.

It is run by a crackpot-moderator, who valorizes Run Unz (that is a clue), and many others have been banned.

I was banned for 50 days for stating I was concerned at "internet ghouls" who were cheering Charles Kirk assassination.

I happen to disagree with you on several topics, and Clay Shaw.

That is why you should be a part of any JFKA forum.

I get the impression founder John Simkim is deep into his dotage, which will happen to us all.

On top of all that, there a few EF-JFKA commenters constantly and heavily promoting their own JFKA theories, some of them zany, while others can't seem to stop talking about Trump.

Meaning that a typical Trump voter, that is 50% of the population, would read the EF-JFKA and get turned off.

Oh, that is smart.

Why should anyone stop talking about The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx")?

[David Von Pein]

@Gerry Down....

Thanks, Gerry, for sharing your observations and opinions with us. It's certainly food for thought.

When trying to answer this question — Was Lee Harvey Oswald Walking East Or West On Tenth Street Before He Shot Officer Tippit? — author Vincent Bugliosi HAD THIS TO SAY.

Also....

Here's another useful image, which is a March 1964 aerial photograph showing the area surrounding the Tippit murder site:

[Benjamin Cole]

Why should anyone stop talking about The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx")?

In almost all cases, it has nothing to do with the JFKA.

If you are anti-Trump, or anti-Biden, fine by me. There are floods online about blue-red blah, blah, blah and blabber-o-rama.

I am interested in the JFKA.

[Tom Graves]

In almost all cases, it has nothing to do with the JFKA.

If you are anti-Trump, or anti-Biden, fine by me. There are floods online about blue-red blah, blah, blah and blabber-o-rama.

I am interested in the JFKA.

You're convinced it was a conspiracy, right?