How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Royell Storing]

While one is always entitled to engage in thought experiments, a thought experiment taking Vicki Adams' story at face value seems a stretch to me in light of the fact that Sandra Styles, her companion, always said she thought Vicki's time estimate was at least somewhat off and, more importantly, was adamant that Shelley and Lovelady were not there. Occam (or Ockham, if you prefer) tells me a more plausible thought experiment has Vicki conflating her and Styles' trip down the stairs with a slightly later encounter by her with Shelley and Lovelady when they reentered the TSBD. But, hey, that's just my and Occam's little thought experiment.

Bart Kamp summarizes what Styles repeatedly told Barry Ernest here: http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/sandra-styles/. Sean Murphy also followed up with her after Ernest's book came out. I also found a long discussion at Greg Parker's forum where the sentiment seemed to be that the "Shelley and Lovelady" question and answer had been fiendishly inserted into Vicki's actual WC testimony precisely to make it seem that she and Styles must have left the fourth floor window later than she thiought. Greg seemed to find this unlikely, and my thought experiment doesn't require any such shenanigans by the WC; in mine, the two cuties can have come down the stairs however quickly you like, with Vicki simply being a bit off as to when she saw Shelley and Lovelady.

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   The "superior intellect" was duped into buying $1200 of "Bogus Imposter Haygood Autographs"?  WOWSER!

[Royell Storing]

Dan is ignoring that those two are exactly where they are supposed to be according to testimony after leaving the steps...

There's no point getting bogged down with everything that is wrong with this post but this last observation needs addressing.
Apparently it's me, ands not Brian, who is ignoring the WC testimony of Shelley and Lovelady.
Let's start with the fact that BOTH MEN testify that they didn't leave the steps for at least three minutes!!
How can they be on the extension seconds after the shooting??
I would really like to hear what Brian is going to make up off the top of his head to account for this.

BOTH MEN testify that, after three minutes, Gloria comes up to the steps, tells them about the shooting after which both of them make their way across the Elm Street extension to the "little, old island" (both men use exactly the same phrase to describe the concrete spur separating the Elm Streets), where they stopped "for a minute".

So, the image of the two men walking down the extension is taken 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting.
In this short span of time, according to Brian, Gloria has made her way back to the TSBD steps, told everyone about the shooting, both men have made their way across to the little old island, hung around there for a while, then made it half way down the extension before being caught on film.
Let's do him a favour and ignore the three minutes it takes Gloria to reach the steps and the time spent on the little, old island.
Even if we ignore all the testimony that Brian seems so willing to do, is it still physically possible for the two men to be so far down the extension, after the sequence of events described, in such a short span of time?
Let's be ultra kind to Brian and make it like some mad kind of tag race  being run at top speed:
1] Gloria sprints full tilt and makes it back to the steps within 15 seconds
2] She spits out a rapid-fire account of the shooting in 5 seconds
3] Shelley and Lovelady sprint across to the little old island - 3 seconds.
4] They stay there for 5 seconds
5] They then sprint to their positions on the Elm Street extension - another 3 seconds.

They still don't make it in time.
Even if we follow Brian's lead and ignore nearly every statement they made in their WC testimonies, Shelley and Lovelady still don't make it.

The reason for this is obvious - it's not Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street extension.
In reality, what happens is this
Shelley and Lovelady are on the steps at the time of the shooting.
Immediately after the shots Shelley runs out to the concrete spur where he encounters a distraught Gloria Calvery running the other way.
Both return to the front steps where Gloria tells everyone there about the shooting after which both Shelley and Lovelady make their way into the building through the front door.

Gloria reaches the steps in a matter seconds - not 3 minutes.
Both men do not then go across to the little, old island.
Both men do not wander along the extension.
Both men do not hang around the railroad yards.
Both men do not enter the building through the west door.
These are all lies told to hide their actual movements after the shooting.

Both men immediately enter the building and make their way towards the back of the first floor where they are seen by Vickie Adams about 60 seconds after the shooting.
Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators where Baker notices two white men just hanging around. Clearly this is Shelley and Lovelady.



The image above shows the moment Gloria has reached the steps and is telling everyone about the shooting.
The man in front of her is Billy Lovelady.
Shelley, wearing his baggy black suit, is near the bottom of the steps after returning from the concrete spur.

    BUMP

[Brian Doyle]

If someone could get the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy we could take a better look at Molina in front of Calvery on the steps...

[Royell Storing]

If someone could get the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy we could take a better look at Molina in front of Calvery on the steps...

   You need to be clear as to which figure you are referring to, "in front of Calvery". If that is the figure labeled "Lovelady", you got some explaining to do. That "Lovelady" figure is standing almost Exactly where Lovelady is standing on Altgens 6. Plus, I think Molina had a full length coat on. The figure labeled "Lovelady" appears to have a Shirt on. I also believe we are seeing (R) arm flesh tones on this "Lovelady" figure.

[Brian Doyle]

The subject must be oriented to the fact that the person seen fast-walking up the extension in the plaid shirt is provably Lovelady...

Since Lovelady is shown on the extension then the only person the man in front of Calvery can be is Molina...When podcasters say in front of Bart Kamp that the man facing Calvery is Lovelady he doesn't correct them...When you go to point this out in the comments you find that your posts don't go through...

We need someone to obtain the 1st generation Darnell copy from the 6th Floor Museum and digitally enhance it...This will show the man facing Calvery to be Molina...The clique doesn't want this to happen because the clique guards its lies and then brags how it has the best group of "academic" researchers...

[Royell Storing]

The subject must be oriented to the fact that the person seen fast-walking up the extension in the plaid shirt is provably Lovelady...

Since Lovelady is shown on the extension then the only person the man in front of Calvery can be is Molina...When podcasters say in front of Bart Kamp that the man facing Calvery is Lovelady he doesn't correct them...When you go to point this out in the comments you find that your posts don't go through...

We need someone to obtain the 1st generation Darnell copy from the 6th Floor Museum and digitally enhance it...This will show the man facing Calvery to be Molina...The clique doesn't want this to happen because the clique guards its lies and then brags how it has the best group of "academic" researchers...

   You have Not responded to Molina wearing a full length coat that day. The figure we are discussing is wearing a shirt and standing where we see Lovelady on Altgens 6.

[Dan O'meara]

The subject must be oriented to the fact that the person seen fast-walking up the extension in the plaid shirt is provably Lovelady...

Since Lovelady is shown on the extension then the only person the man in front of Calvery can be is Molina...When podcasters say in front of Bart Kamp that the man facing Calvery is Lovelady he doesn't correct them...When you go to point this out in the comments you find that your posts don't go through...

We need someone to obtain the 1st generation Darnell copy from the 6th Floor Museum and digitally enhance it...This will show the man facing Calvery to be Molina...The clique doesn't want this to happen because the clique guards its lies and then brags how it has the best group of "academic" researchers...

 the person seen fast-walking up the extension in the plaid shirt is provably Lovelady...

Explain to the forum how it is "provably" Lovelady.
What proof do you have that this person is Lovelady?
Your own opinion?
Do you believe your own opinion is proof?
What proof do you have?