How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Tom Graves]

So are you NOW claiming that these 2 women sprinting up the sidewalk are in the Wiegman Film? That we just can Not see them? Is that your new wrinkle? This is what happens when you Fail to thoroughly think through your claim. It requires patching. Again, you need to CHANGE THE TIMELINES.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

That's not what Doyle's saying.

He's saying that from their locations on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, Calvery and Reed were close enough to the TSBD steps to be able to get them about five seconds before Darnell "captured" them on film there. In other words, if Darnell had started filming the steps about five seconds earlier, he would have "captured" Calvery's telling Shelley and Lovelady that JFK had been hit.

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

That's not what Doyle's saying.

He's saying that from their locations on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, Calvery and Reed were close enough to the TSBD steps to be able to get them about five seconds before Darnell "captured" them on film there. In other words, if Darnell had started filming the steps about five seconds earlier, he would have "captured" Calvery's telling Shelley and Lovelady that JFK had been hit.

-- Tom

How is that possible if Both Lovelady and Shelley stated they waited on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived?
Are they lying about that?
Are they lying about running over to the little, old island and staying there for "a minute or two"?

Or are you saying that, immediately after the shots, both men ran out to the little old island, met Gloria there, then made their way along the extension?
What are you saying exactly?

[Tom Graves]

How is that possible if Both Lovelady and Shelley stated they waited on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived?

If that's what they said, they were wrong, because we see Gloria Calvery, with her back to the camera, on the steps in Darnell about thirty seconds after the final shot.

Are they lying about running over to the little, old island and staying there for awhile?

If that's what they did, they didn't stay there very long.

Or, are you saying that immediately after the shots, both men ran out to the little old island, met Gloria there, then made their way along the Extension?

Of the three scenarios you've given us, that one makes the most sense.

[Royell Storing]

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

That's not what Doyle's saying.

He's saying that from their locations on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, Calvery and Reed were close enough to the TSBD steps to be able to get there about five seconds before Darnell "captured" them there. In other words, if Darnell had started filming the steps about five seconds earlier, he would have "captured" Calvery's telling Shelley and Lovelady that JFK had been hit.

-- Tom

     I understand what he is saying. He's claiming that Calvery/Reed were at the TSBD steps and talking to Shelley/Lovelady only :15 seconds after the kill shot. Darnell was riding in Camera Car #3. He filmed the TSBD steps from the ground on the corner of Houston/Elm. Darnell had to of climbed out of that car prior to filming Officer Baker running across the Island. (Tick/Tock).  Wiegman jumped out of the (R) side of Camera Car #1 as it was turning onto Elm St. This allegedly puts Wiegman running right past these 2 women as they were running toward the TSBD. There is Zero Evidence of these ships having, "passed in the night". Bearing in mind that Darnell also filmed the driver of Camera Car #2 standing outside of the car BEFORE he filmed Officer Baker (allegedly :20 seconds after the kill shot), and then filmed the TSBD front steps, we have a serious 62+ yr old time stamping issue. What driver of any car gets out of that car when it has only been sitting bumper-to-bumper for max 15 seconds?  *Ans- No Driver! 

[Dan O'meara]

If that's what they said, they were wrong, because we see Gloria Calvery, with her back to the camera, on the steps in Darnell about thirty seconds after the final shot.

If that's what they did, they didn't stay there very long.

Of the three scenarios you've given us, that one makes the most sense.

It's not about scenarios I'm giving you 
I'm giving you testimonial evidence that you seem to be completely unaware of, even though it's JFKA 101.
Yes, both Shelley and Lovelady testified that they stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived there. Why would BOTH MEN do that? What is the reason BOTH MEN testified to this?

Shelley testified that they stayed on the little old island for "a minute or two".
How do you explain this?
Three minutes waiting for Gloria??
A minute or two on the concrete spur??
Now that you've been made aware of it, how can you incorporate this testimonial evidence into your understanding of this issue?

And as far as the third scenario I offered...this was your own sad attempt to dig yourself out of this conundrum.
Until it was pointed out to you that never...NEVER...in any testimony or statement by anyone was it suggested that Lovelady ran across to the concrete spur where he ran into Gloria.
This was a sad little lie both you and Lance concocted rather than honestly review the evidence.

Shelley's affidavit and his WC testimony completely contradict each other.

The sequence of events described in his affidavit is as follows:
1] On front steps when he hears shots
2] Heads to the concrete spur (on his own) where he meets Gloria.
3] Returns to the TSBD
4] Re-enters the building

The sequence of events described in his WC testimony is as follows:
1] On front steps when he hears shots
2] Waits on steps for about 3 minutes before Gloria arrives at steps
3] Both he and Lovelady then head over to the concrete spur for "a minute or two".
4] He turns and sees Baker and Truly still outside the building.
5] Heads down Elm Street extension to the railroad yard, hangs around there for a while, re-enters building through west door (none of which is mentioned in his affidavit).

3 minutes on the steps waiting for Gloria to arrive!
A minute or two on the concrete spur!
It is impossible for the two figures on Elm Street to be Shelley and Lovelady if this is the case.
There is simply no time as Gloria had just arrived at the steps in Darnell.
There is no way around this.

However, if we accept the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady, and that Lovelady was still on the steps when Gloria came up and told him about the shooting, it is clear that Darnell is showing the moment Gloria arrives at the steps. The man she is talking to on the steps is Lovelady (who is stood in exactly the same position on the steps he was as the motorcade passed by).
There is nothing contradicting this identification.
It cannot be Molina, who was wearing a white shirt and who specifically testified that he hadn't talked to a woman on the steps.

[Tom Graves]

Doyle's claiming that Calvery/Reed were at the TSBD steps and talking to Shelley/Lovelady only :15 seconds after the kill shot.

Maybe 25 seconds after "the kill shot."

Who knows?

Darnell was riding in Camera Car #3. He filmed the TSBD steps from the ground on the corner of Houston/Elm. Darnell had to of [sic] climbed out of that car prior to filming Officer Baker running across the Island.

So?

Wiegman jumped out of the (R) side of Camera Car #1 as it was turning onto Elm St. This allegedly puts Wiegman running right past these 2 women as they were running toward the TSBD. There is Zero Evidence of these ships having, "passed in the night."

Wiegman's camera was pointed down at the pavement for a couple of seconds as he was getting out of the car, and much of the footage he took while running is blurry, to say the least.

No wonder he didn't 'catch" Calvery and Reed as they were running up the sidewalk towards the TSBD steps.

Bearing in mind that Darnell also filmed the driver of Camera Car #2 standing outside of the car before he filmed Officer Baker (allegedly 20 seconds after the kill shot), and then filmed the TSBD front steps, we have a serious 62+ year-old time stamping issue -- What driver of any car gets out of that car when it has only been sitting bumper-to-bumper for at most 15 seconds? 

Answer: No one.

Did the driver of that camera car know how long the cars around him would be there?

Don't you think he might have gotten out to have a better view of what was going on?

[Tom Graves]

It's not about scenarios I'm giving you 
I'm giving you testimonial evidence that you seem to be completely unaware of, even though it's JFKA 101.
Yes, both Shelley and Lovelady testified that they stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived there. Why would BOTH MEN do that? What is the reason BOTH MEN testified to this?

Shelley testified that they stayed on the little old island for "a minute or two".
How do you explain this?
Three minutes waiting for Gloria??
A minute or two on the concrete spur??
Now that you've been made aware of it, how can you incorporate this testimonial evidence into your understanding of this issue?

And as far as the third scenario I offered...this was your own sad attempt to dig yourself out of this conundrum.
Until it was pointed out to you that never...NEVER...in any testimony or statement by anyone was it suggested that Lovelady ran across to the concrete spur where he ran into Gloria.
This was a sad little lie both you and Lance concocted rather than honestly review the evidence.

Shelley's affidavit and his WC testimony completely contradict each other.

The sequence of events described in his affidavit is as follows:
1] On front steps when he hears shots
2] Heads to the concrete spur (on his own) where he meets Gloria.
3] Returns to the TSBD
4] Re-enters the building

The sequence of events described in his WC testimony is as follows:
1] On front steps when he hears shots
2] Waits on steps for about 3 minutes before Gloria arrives at steps
3] Both he and Lovelady then head over to the concrete spur for "a minute or two".
4] He turns and sees Baker and Truly still outside the building.
5] Heads down Elm Street extension to the railroad yard, hangs around there for a while, re-enters building through west door (none of which is mentioned in his affidavit).

3 minutes on the steps waiting for Gloria to arrive!
A minute or two on the concrete spur!
It is impossible for the two figures on Elm Street to be Shelley and Lovelady if this is the case.
There is simply no time as Gloria had just arrived at the steps in Darnell.
There is no way around this.

However, if we accept the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady, and that Lovelady was still on the steps when Gloria came up and told him about the shooting, it is clear that Darnell is showing the moment Gloria arrives at the steps. The man she is talking to on the steps is Lovelady (who is stood in exactly the same position on the steps he was as the motorcade passed by).
There is nothing contradicting this identification.
It cannot be Molina, who was wearing a white shirt and who specifically testified that he hadn't talked to a woman on the steps.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Knock yourself out.

Either that or go self-publish a book.

-- Tom