How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Brian Doyle]

Dear Mr Graves...You have quoted me saying something I never said above...

By the way, Calvery was wearing a short-length sweater that was noticeable in the motorcade spectators and on the steps as the same short-length sweater and proves the woman was Calvery...Royell seems to be having trouble computing the basic logic that if Calvery is seen in the motorcade spectators on Elm in Zapruder, and is then seen climbing the steps in Couch/Darnell, that she had to have run between those two points in the interim...Karan Hicks is almost certainly the running woman in the Black Skirt and White Blouse whom Shelley pulls up and talks to as she runs by in the slow motion Gerda Dunkel clip...Hicks was standing with Calvery and Reed and followed their adrenaline-fueled dash to the Depository...The timing of all this forces the two men fast-walking up the extension to be Lovelady & Shelley, which in turn forces the man facing Calvery on the steps to be Molina...

The 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell needs to be obtained and professionally enhanced...Not only will it show all the above more clearly but it will also show Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man more clearly...The Hughes Film also needs to be obtained and professionally enhanced in order to show big fat Sarah Stanton standing up behind Lovelady in the Prayer Man spot right where Lovelady put her...THIS is intelligent, on-point, skilled research that goes right to solving the issue...The instruction on how to put people on ignore is Bush League, Mickey Mouse clique gangsterism designed to fan-boy for DiEugenio and rig the forum in his favor with Iler serving as his sycophantic servant...Not only is Iler not correcting the moderator corruption he promised to correct but he is making it worse while flagrantly teaming up with DiEugenio under the guise of moderation...I'm particularly impressed by DiEugenio's coming in and asking that moderators don't skew the JFK internet for his sake...It is little things like that that make all the difference...

[Royell Storing]

Dear Mr Graves...You have quoted me saying something I never said above...

By the way, Calvery was wearing a short-length sweater that was noticeable in the motorcade spectators and on the steps as the same short-length sweater and proves the woman was Calvery...Royell seems to be having trouble computing the basic logic that if Calvery is seen in the motorcade spectators on Elm in Zapruder, and is then seen climbing the steps in Couch/Darnell, that she had to have run between those two points in the interim...Karan Hicks is almost certainly the running woman in the Black Skirt and White Blouse whom Shelley pulls up and talks to as she runs by in the slow motion Gerda Dunkel clip...Hicks was standing with Calvery and Reed and followed their adrenaline-fueled dash to the Depository...The timing of all this forces the two men fast-walking up the extension to be Lovelady & Shelley, which in turn forces the man facing Calvery on the steps to be Molina...

The 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell needs to be obtained and professionally enhanced...Not only will it show all the above more clearly but it will also show Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man more clearly...The Hughes Film also needs to be obtained and professionally enhanced in order to show big fat Sarah Stanton standing up behind Lovelady in the Prayer Man spot right where Lovelady put her...THIS is intelligent, on-point, skilled research that goes right to solving the issue...The instruction on how to put people on ignore is Bush League, Mickey Mouse clique gangsterism designed to fan-boy for DiEugenio and rig the forum in his favor with Iler serving as his sycophantic servant...Not only is Iler not correcting the moderator corruption he promised to correct but he is making it worse while flagrantly teaming up with DiEugenio under the guise of moderation...

     You continue making a case for changing the :20 seconds after the kill shot timestamp. You basically are claiming that these 2 women were ahead of Officer Baker as Baker also ran up the sidewalk toward the TSBD. If you do Not have the stones to do change this :20 second timestamp, you should drop your entire case. There is absolutely No Way those 2 women could go running up the Elm St Sidewalk, to the TSBD, and Not appear on the Wiegman Film. Wiegman jumped out of camera car #1 as it was turning onto Elm St. His camera was rolling this entire time. You are changing the timelines of many people.

[Brian Doyle]

1)  I don't need to show Calvery & Reed in Wiegman because the logic of locating both of them in Zapruder and Couch/Darnell trumps any other excuse-making claims...Film evidence that you can see with your own eyes trumps all other disingenuous, inferior claims and dispenses with the need to regress to them...Those making such regressive arguments can be legitimately dismissed and considered as losing their arguments and not answering to the better evidence...They are not to be taken seriously...

2)   Wiegman, as he runs down to the motorcade spectators, is a blurry mess with the camera being swung back and forth...It is not really honest to contend the running women could be seen in that clip...

 

[Royell Storing]

1)  I don't need to show Calvery & Reed in Wiegman because the logic of locating both of them in Zapruder and Couch/Darnell trumps any other excuse-making claims...Film evidence that you can see with your own eyes trumps all other disingenuous, inferior claims and dispenses with the need to regress to them...Those making such regressive arguments can be legitimately dismissed and considered as losing their arguments and not answering to the better evidence...They are not to be taken seriously...

2)   Wiegman, as he runs down to the motorcade spectators, is a blurry mess with the camera being swung back and forth...It is not really honest to contend the running women could be seen in that clip...

   So are you NOW claiming that these 2 women sprinting up the sidewalk are in the Wiegman Film? That we just can Not see them? Is that your new wrinkle? This is what happens when you Fail to thoroughly think through your claim. It requires patching. Again, you need to CHANGE THE TIMELINES.

[Tom Graves]

So are you NOW claiming that these 2 women sprinting up the sidewalk are in the Wiegman Film? That we just can Not see them? Is that your new wrinkle? This is what happens when you Fail to thoroughly think through your claim. It requires patching. Again, you need to CHANGE THE TIMELINES.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

That's not what Doyle's saying.

He's saying that from their locations on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, Calvery and Reed were close enough to the TSBD steps to be able to get them about five seconds before Darnell "captured" them on film there. In other words, if Darnell had started filming the steps about five seconds earlier, he would have "captured" Calvery's telling Shelley and Lovelady that JFK had been hit.

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

That's not what Doyle's saying.

He's saying that from their locations on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, Calvery and Reed were close enough to the TSBD steps to be able to get them about five seconds before Darnell "captured" them on film there. In other words, if Darnell had started filming the steps about five seconds earlier, he would have "captured" Calvery's telling Shelley and Lovelady that JFK had been hit.

-- Tom

How is that possible if Both Lovelady and Shelley stated they waited on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived?
Are they lying about that?
Are they lying about running over to the little, old island and staying there for "a minute or two"?

Or are you saying that, immediately after the shots, both men ran out to the little old island, met Gloria there, then made their way along the extension?
What are you saying exactly?

[Tom Graves]

How is that possible if Both Lovelady and Shelley stated they waited on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived?

If that's what they said, they were wrong, because we see Gloria Calvery, with her back to the camera, on the steps in Darnell about thirty seconds after the final shot.

Are they lying about running over to the little, old island and staying there for awhile?

If that's what they did, they didn't stay there very long.

Or, are you saying that immediately after the shots, both men ran out to the little old island, met Gloria there, then made their way along the Extension?

Of the three scenarios you've given us, that one makes the most sense.