How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Dan O'meara]

I don't think Dan is dealing in correct terms here...Dan is calling the "Four Days In November" copy the superior copy when it clearly is not...The 'Four Days In November' copy was probably transferred to video at some point and obviously suffered serious degrading in quality, yet somehow Dan gets that this obviously highly-degraded copy is "superior"...I would guess that the Sprague Collection copy is washed out by high end brightness and contrast because the photo enhancement technology of the time showed detail the best at that setting...Dan has it backwards and, although the Sprague copy is washed out badly at one level, it is actually the better copy for identifying detail, which is why it shows the finer features on Shelley and Lovelady better...

And since we now have a valid technical explanation for what we are seeing in these two examples of Couch therefore Dan has come up short in explaining exactly what problem he is having understanding that Shelley's white shirt collar and black jacket...His Duck's Ass hair doo and body shape...His pulling up to talk to Hicks as she ran by...As well as Lovelady's clearly-seen plaid pattern and bald spot are all freely visible in the Sprague copy and therefore confirm the pair are Lovelady & Shelley exactly where they were supposed to be fast-walking up the extension...Dan is ignoring that those two are exactly where they are supposed to be according to testimony after leaving the steps...

Dan is ignoring that those two are exactly where they are supposed to be according to testimony after leaving the steps...

There's no point getting bogged down with everything that is wrong with this post but this last observation needs addressing.
Apparently it's me, ands not Brian, who is ignoring the WC testimony of Shelley and Lovelady.
Let's start with the fact that BOTH MEN testify that they didn't leave the steps for at least three minutes!!
How can they be on the extension seconds after the shooting??
I would really like to hear what Brian is going to make up off the top of his head to account for this.

BOTH MEN testify that, after three minutes, Gloria comes up to the steps, tells them about the shooting after which both of them make their way across the Elm Street extension to the "little, old island" (both men use exactly the same phrase to describe the concrete spur separating the Elm Streets), where they stopped "for a minute".

So, the image of the two men walking down the extension is taken 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting.
In this short span of time, according to Brian, Gloria has made her way back to the TSBD steps, told everyone about the shooting, both men have made their way across to the little old island, hung around there for a while, then made it half way down the extension before being caught on film.
Let's do him a favour and ignore the three minutes it takes Gloria to reach the steps and the time spent on the little, old island.
Even if we ignore all the testimony that Brian seems so willing to do, is it still physically possible for the two men to be so far down the extension, after the sequence of events described, in such a short span of time?
Let's be ultra kind to Brian and make it like some mad kind of tag race  being run at top speed:
1] Gloria sprints full tilt and makes it back to the steps within 15 seconds
2] She spits out a rapid-fire account of the shooting in 5 seconds
3] Shelley and Lovelady sprint across to the little old island - 3 seconds.
4] They stay there for 5 seconds
5] They then sprint to their positions on the Elm Street extension - another 3 seconds.

They still don't make it in time.
Even if we follow Brian's lead and ignore nearly every statement they made in their WC testimonies, Shelley and Lovelady still don't make it.

The reason for this is obvious - it's not Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street extension.
In reality, what happens is this
Shelley and Lovelady are on the steps at the time of the shooting.
Immediately after the shots Shelley runs out to the concrete spur where he encounters a distraught Gloria Calvery running the other way.
Both return to the front steps where Gloria tells everyone there about the shooting after which both Shelley and Lovelady make their way into the building through the front door.

Gloria reaches the steps in a matter seconds - not 3 minutes.
Both men do not then go across to the little, old island.
Both men do not wander along the extension.
Both men do not hang around the railroad yards.
Both men do not enter the building through the west door.
These are all lies told to hide their actual movements after the shooting.

Both men immediately enter the building and make their way towards the back of the first floor where they are seen by Vickie Adams about 60 seconds after the shooting.
Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators where Baker notices two white men just hanging around. Clearly this is Shelley and Lovelady.



The image above shows the moment Gloria has reached the steps and is telling everyone about the shooting.
The man in front of her is Billy Lovelady.
Shelley, wearing his baggy black suit, is near the bottom of the steps after returning from the concrete spur.

[Zeon Mason]

Makes sense to me Dan  Lovelady and Shelley there at the elevators by 60 secs post shots. That’s the only point in time that it makes sense that Truly  would have told Lovelady to guard the elevators.

But if that’s the case then Jack Dougherty didn’t take the west elevator all the way down to the 2nd  floor, otherwise Lovelady would have seen him and Jack would have referenced seeing Lovelady in WC testimony. Jack only claims to speak to Piper. But that can’t be true either if Lovelady is there by the elevator. Eddie Piper never said he saw Dougherty.

When Mooney gets to TSBD he found the west elevator was stuck on the 2nd floor and Victoria Adams was there too ( this is like about 4 minutes post shots).

That west elevator I think was taken down by the 6th floor shooter and he stopped it in on 2nd floor so he could go out the west side window by the staircase onto the roof top of the adjacent garage. At that NW side of TSBD it’s only a few ft across that roof and he could have dropped from there to the ground.

[Dan O'meara]

Makes sense to me Dan  Lovelady and Shelley there at the elevators by 60 secs post shots. That’s the only point in time that it makes sense that Truly  would have told Lovelady to guard the elevators.

But if that’s the case then Jack Dougherty didn’t take the west elevator all the way down to the 2nd  floor, otherwise Lovelady would have seen him and Jack would have referenced seeing Lovelady in WC testimony. Jack only claims to speak to Piper. But that can’t be true either if Lovelady is there by the elevator. Eddie Piper never said he saw Dougherty.

When Mooney gets to TSBD he found the west elevator was stuck on the 2nd floor and Victoria Adams was there too ( this is like about 4 minutes post shots).

That west elevator I think was taken down by the 6th floor shooter and he stopped it in on 2nd floor so he could go out the west side window by the staircase onto the roof top of the adjacent garage. At that NW side of TSBD it’s only a few ft across that roof and he could have dropped from there to the ground.

A lot of these issues are resolved if Dougherty is the actual shooter.
As Baker ascends the stairs he has a quick check of each floor. The only floor he doesn't check is the 6th floor. At no point does he see Dougherty.
Dougerty claims he was on the 5th floor until he went down to the first floor to have his made-up interaction with Piper, but when Baker reaches the 5th floor he is nowhere to be seen.
Dougherty is on the 6th floor as Baker ascends the stairs.
As Baker and Truly move up the building Dougherty calls the west elevator up to the 6th floor.
When Baker and Truly reach the 5th floor the west elevator is missing so they take the east elevator up to the 7th floor (missing Dougherty on the 6th floor).
By the time Baker and Truly come down from the roof, Dougherty is now on the 5th floor going about his business (even though it's still lunch time).

[Brian Doyle]

Dan is ignoring that those two are exactly where they are supposed to be according to testimony after leaving the steps...

There's no point getting bogged down with everything that is wrong with this post but this last observation needs addressing.
Apparently it's me, ands not Brian, who is ignoring the WC testimony of Shelley and Lovelady.
Let's start with the fact that BOTH MEN testify that they didn't leave the steps for at least three minutes!!
How can they be on the extension seconds after the shooting??
I would really like to hear what Brian is going to make up off the top of his head to account for this.

Shelley was later found out by Dallas reporter Dean Glaze to be CIA...The conspirators needed Victoria Adams' claim discredited so they got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and say they left the steps 3 minutes after the shots...The Couch/Darnell Film is the reality and it shows Lovelady & Shelley leaving the steps in synchronicity with the testimonies of the other witnesses who said Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps and then went up to the Knoll...Couch/Darnell shows the reality of what happened and Lovelady & Shelley took off from the steps at around 20 seconds after the shots...The men are definitely Lovelady & Shelley because you can see their clothing on those men in the best resolution images...The two men are also exactly where Lovelady & Shelley would be according to the testimonies of others...

Adams & Styles bolted from the 4th Floor window and bolted down the NW staircase...They squeaked out the rear exit ahead of everyone and were not seen...

If Dougherty did go up to the 6th Floor right before the shooting he did so in a way where he saw Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room, just like Carolyn Arnold did, on his way...Truly defamed Dougherty as being retarded in order to undermine his witnessing...

[Royell Storing]

Dan is ignoring that those two are exactly where they are supposed to be according to testimony after leaving the steps...

There's no point getting bogged down with everything that is wrong with this post but this last observation needs addressing.
Apparently it's me, ands not Brian, who is ignoring the WC testimony of Shelley and Lovelady.
Let's start with the fact that BOTH MEN testify that they didn't leave the steps for at least three minutes!!
How can they be on the extension seconds after the shooting??
I would really like to hear what Brian is going to make up off the top of his head to account for this.

BOTH MEN testify that, after three minutes, Gloria comes up to the steps, tells them about the shooting after which both of them make their way across the Elm Street extension to the "little, old island" (both men use exactly the same phrase to describe the concrete spur separating the Elm Streets), where they stopped "for a minute".

So, the image of the two men walking down the extension is taken 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting.
In this short span of time, according to Brian, Gloria has made her way back to the TSBD steps, told everyone about the shooting, both men have made their way across to the little old island, hung around there for a while, then made it half way down the extension before being caught on film.
Let's do him a favour and ignore the three minutes it takes Gloria to reach the steps and the time spent on the little, old island.
Even if we ignore all the testimony that Brian seems so willing to do, is it still physically possible for the two men to be so far down the extension, after the sequence of events described, in such a short span of time?
Let's be ultra kind to Brian and make it like some mad kind of tag race  being run at top speed:
1] Gloria sprints full tilt and makes it back to the steps within 15 seconds
2] She spits out a rapid-fire account of the shooting in 5 seconds
3] Shelley and Lovelady sprint across to the little old island - 3 seconds.
4] They stay there for 5 seconds
5] They then sprint to their positions on the Elm Street extension - another 3 seconds.

They still don't make it in time.
Even if we follow Brian's lead and ignore nearly every statement they made in their WC testimonies, Shelley and Lovelady still don't make it.

The reason for this is obvious - it's not Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street extension.
In reality, what happens is this
Shelley and Lovelady are on the steps at the time of the shooting.
Immediately after the shots Shelley runs out to the concrete spur where he encounters a distraught Gloria Calvery running the other way.
Both return to the front steps where Gloria tells everyone there about the shooting after which both Shelley and Lovelady make their way into the building through the front door.

Gloria reaches the steps in a matter seconds - not 3 minutes.
Both men do not then go across to the little, old island.
Both men do not wander along the extension.
Both men do not hang around the railroad yards.
Both men do not enter the building through the west door.
These are all lies told to hide their actual movements after the shooting.

Both men immediately enter the building and make their way towards the back of the first floor where they are seen by Vickie Adams about 60 seconds after the shooting.
Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators where Baker notices two white men just hanging around. Clearly this is Shelley and Lovelady.



The image above shows the moment Gloria has reached the steps and is telling everyone about the shooting.
The man in front of her is Billy Lovelady.
Shelley, wearing his baggy black suit, is near the bottom of the steps after returning from the concrete spur.

   DOYLE - You continue to avoid addressing the images above. Shelley and Lovelady are right there on the TSBD Steps as Officer Baker runs toward the building. They can Not be the "2 Guys" moving down the Elm St Extension. It is physically impossible.

[Brian Doyle]

   DOYLE - You continue to avoid addressing the images above. Shelley and Lovelady are right there on the TSBD Steps as Officer Baker runs toward the building. They can Not be the "2 Guys" moving down the Elm St Extension. It is physically impossible.

The man you are calling Shelley has a much stockier body shape than the real Shelley who can be seen fast-walking up the extension with the correct body shape and Duck's Ass hair doo...

If we can get the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell we can see Molina in front of Calvery in better resolution...