How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Zeon Mason]

Hey, if  Dan is wrong, and those 2 guys moving away in Darnell ARE Lovelady and Shelly then that makes it even MORE a mystery as to whom the 2 white men were that Baker  saw by the rear elevators. Why did not  Truly identify them to Baker as employees like Truly did when  Oswald was encountered in the 2nd floor lunchroom?

[Royell Storing]

Hey, if  Dan is wrong, and those 2 guys moving away in Darnell ARE Lovelady and Shelly then that makes it even MORE a mystery as to whom the 2 white men were that Baker  saw by the rear elevators. Why did not  Truly identify them to Baker as employees like Truly did when  Oswald was encountered in the 2nd floor lunchroom?

   That film footage of those 2 Guys moving down the Elm St Ext is 20 seconds after the kill shot. There simply is not enough time for Calvary to tell Lovelady/Shelly what has happened and for them to be filmed moving down the Elm St Ext.

[Dan O'meara]

Hey, if  Dan is wrong, and those 2 guys moving away in Darnell ARE Lovelady and Shelly then that makes it even MORE a mystery as to whom the 2 white men were that Baker  saw by the rear elevators. Why did not  Truly identify them to Baker as employees like Truly did when  Oswald was encountered in the 2nd floor lunchroom?

There is no mystery as to whom the two white men were that Baker saw by the rear elevators because these two men were identified by Vicki Adams.
Adams testifies that she hit the first floor about 60 seconds after the shooting and that she interacted with Shelley and Lovelady, who were in that area. Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive in the same area, where Baker sees the two white men, who can only be Shelley and Lovelady.
As Royell indicates, it is physically impossible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps, have the interaction with Lovelady and then for Shelley and Lovelady to be filmed well down the Elm Street Ext. around 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting. It is physically impossible.
Those who blindly accept Kamp's identification of Lovelady have to ignore this impossibility.
They have to ignore the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady which make no mention of a trip along the Elm Street Ext., hanging around the railroad yard then entering through the west door.
They have to ignore Lovelady's next two statements to the FBI, in which he insists both he and Shelley rushed to the area where the limo had sped away from.
And Shelley's statement about accompanying police officers to the railroad yard and staying there for 10 minutes.
And the testimony of both Shelley and Lovelady that they stayed on the front steps for at least three minutes before Gloria came up.
And that more than three minutes after the shooting they saw Baker and Truly still outside the TSBD building!
They have to ignore the Baker/Truly time trials, the Darnell footage and the testimony of Vicki Adams.

On top of everything they ignore, they then have to invent a scenario for which there is not a scrap of evidence - that both Shelley and Lovelady ran out to the "little, old island" immediately after the shooting where they both ran into Gloria!!

They do all this rather than question the validity of Bart Kamp's highly dubious 'Lovelady' image.

[Lance Payette]

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[Royell Storing]

There is no mystery as to whom the two white men were that Baker saw by the rear elevators because these two men were identified by Vicki Adams.
Adams testifies that she hit the first floor about 60 seconds after the shooting and that she interacted with Shelley and Lovelady, who were in that area. Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive in the same area, where Baker sees the two white men, who can only be Shelley and Lovelady.
As Royell indicates, it is physically impossible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps, have the interaction with Lovelady and then for Shelley and Lovelady to be filmed well down the Elm Street Ext. around 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting. It is physically impossible.
Those who blindly accept Kamp's identification of Lovelady have to ignore this impossibility.
They have to ignore the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady which make no mention of a trip along the Elm Street Ext., hanging around the railroad yard then entering through the west door.
They have to ignore Lovelady's next two statements to the FBI, in which he insists both he and Shelley rushed to the area where the limo had sped away from.
And Shelley's statement about accompanying police officers to the railroad yard and staying there for 10 minutes.
And the testimony of both Shelley and Lovelady that they stayed on the front steps for at least three minutes before Gloria came up.
And that more than three minutes after the shooting they saw Baker and Truly still outside the TSBD building!
They have to ignore the Baker/Truly time trials, the Darnell footage and the testimony of Vicki Adams.

On top of everything they ignore, they then have to invent a scenario for which there is not a scrap of evidence - that both Shelley and Lovelady ran out to the "little, old island" immediately after the shooting where they both ran into Gloria!!

They do all this rather than question the validity of Bart Kamp's highly dubious 'Lovelady' image.

   Which begs the question as to where did these 2 Guys come from in order to put them in the position of heading down the Elm St Extension only 20 seconds after the Kill Shot? These 2 Guys got out of their "getaway" car parked alongside the Island, and were moving down the Elm St Ext behind DPD Officer Smith. They were "shadowing" Officer Smith. They did Not want Smith running into their 6th Floor accomplice(s) that would be using the "wide open" Huge Gates to exit the TSBD.

[Royell Storing]

Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

    This is a Couch still frame showing 2 guys next to the "getaway" car. It was taken only 20 seconds after the kill shot. I believe these 2 guys were previously sitting inside the car. The Police activity around them has forced them to exit the car. It is physically impossible for any other 2 eyewitnesses to be in this same position only 20 seconds after the kill shot. They are now in the process of distancing themselves from this vehicle. This deserted "getaway" car was parked in a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone. It would be sitting in this same spot for 3+ hours following the assassination.

[Tom Graves]

This is a Couch still frame showing two guys next to the "getaway" car. It was taken only 20 seconds after the kill shot. I believe these 2 guys were previously sitting inside the car. The Police activity around them has forced them to exit the car. It is physically impossible for any other two eyewitnesses to be in this same position only 20 seconds after the kill shot. They are now in the process of distancing themselves from this vehicle. This deserted "getaway" car was parked in a clearly posted, "No Parking at Any Time" zone. It would be sitting in this same spot for three-plus hours following the assassination.

Dear Royell,

Those two guys (one of whom is wearing a suit and a "pompadour" hairstyle just like William Shelley, and the other of whom has a receding hairline, a bald spot, and is wearing a plaid / striped shirt like Billy Lovelady) are not "next to" your mythological "Getaway Car."

Twenty seconds after the final shot?

How do you know it wasn't 25, 28, 31 or [fill in the blank] seconds?

The 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" was left in a no parking zone for at least three hours?

Gasp . . . did the evil, evil Deep State bad guys eventually come and tow it away, or did one of their agents forget to hotwire it for that long?

-- Tom

[Tom Graves]

Dear Royell,

Those two guys (one of whom is wearing a suit and a "pompadour" hairstyle just like William Shelley, and the other of whom has a receding hairline, a bald spot, and is wearing a plaid / striped shirt like Billy Lovelady) are not "next to" your mythological "Abandoned Getaway Car."

Twenty seconds after the final shot?

How do you know it wasn't 25, 28, 31 or [fill in the blank] seconds?

The 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" was left in a no parking zone for at least three hours?

Gasp . . . did the evil, evil Deep State bad guys eventually come and tow it away, or did one of their agents forget to hotwire it for that long?

-- Tom