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How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
Zeon Mason:
According to Lovelady in WC testimony, He said he left the steps and went out about 100 yds and then he went back into the TSBD by the WEST side door( at the northwest side of TSBD) . He estimated about 3 minutes had elapsed from having left the front steps to having returned to enter the TSBD.
I take it Dan has concluded that Lovelady and Shelley are fabricating this story of leaving the front steps and they were doing that to discredit Adams /Stiles 60 sec time estimate reaching the ground floor because that puts Dorothy Garners leaving the 4th floor office as soon as 30 secs post shots. Thus, No way Oswald could not be seen by Garner if that timeline was reasonably established via Adams seeing Lovelady at the rear elevators.
So it may be that the WC wanted to avoid Dorothy Garner since they did not call her as a witness. And if Adams is to be believed that she saw Lovelady when she got to the 1st floor by 60 secs post shots, then it’s not implausible that the WC might decide that Adams time should be established based on Loveladys 3 minute timeline.
My problem is I find it hard to believe that Lovelady and Shelly who had nothing to gain and whom would be taking a quit a risk of perjury would go this extent of fabricating a story and giving WC testimony to substantiate it.
What other possibility other than some alteration of the Darnell film using the Wiegman film image of Lovelady ( presumably him) on the steps and the conspirators missed seeing those 2 guys that look like Lovelady and Shelley?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 08, 2026, 11:54:44 PM ---On the day of the assassination Shelley and Lovelady gave affidavits to the Dallas Police Department.
These are the initial statements they made regarding their activities around the time of the assassination.
By "initial" I mean that these are the very first official statements they made.
In his affidavit Shelley basically said that, after the shots he ran across the Elm Street Extension, met Gloria Calvery coming the other way, returned to the building and went inside to phone his wife.
In his affidavit Lovelady states that after the shooting he went back inside the building.
In their later lies both men insist that after the shooting they stood on the steps for around 3 minutes, spoke with Gloria Calvery, wandered across to the concrete spur that divides the Elm Streets, saw Truly and Baker outside the building, wandered down to the railroad yard where they stayed for a few minutes, then entered the building via the little known west door.
Both men forget to mention all this in their initial statements because what they actually did was as follows:
Both men were stood on the front steps when the shots were fired.
Shelley ran across the extension and bumped into a distraught Gloria Calvery who was screaming that the President had been shot. He ran back to the steps with her while she told Lovelady, and everyone else on the steps about the shooting. While this was happening Baker arrives and goes up the front steps into the lobby. Shelley, Lovelady and Truly go up the steps and enter the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady make their way to the back of the first floor while Baker is talking to Truly. Adams sees Shelley and Lovelady as she races to the back door. Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive on the scene where Baker sees the two white men who can only be Shelley and Lovelady.
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Thanks. You basically believe Shelley and Lovelady lied in their WC Testimonies.
Your having Lovelady and Shelley go through the TSBD front door and then walk back to the freight elevator, throws off the WC timeline of Truly and Baker going back there. And likewise, Baker then confronting Oswald inside the 2nd floor lunchroom. You are resetting those timelines.
Zeon Mason:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 08, 2026, 09:31:21 PM --- Those "2 Guys" alongside the "getaway" car above, just exited that vehicle. DPD Officer Smith, (on the (L)), just ran past the driver side of their car, and they witnessed DPD Motorcycle officer Baker, ( running behind them), rounding the corner and parking his motorcycle along the Elm St Curb. All of this is happening about 20 seconds after the Kill Shot. These conspirators did Not anticipate law enforcement being all around them this quickly. They are now distancing themselves from this "getaway" car and heading toward the "wide open" Huge Gates. Their expected passenger(s) would soon be exiting those same "wide open" Huge Gates.
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It looks to me in both Kamps image as well as the darker image that the guy is wearing a SHORT sleeve shirt .
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 09, 2026, 02:13:35 AM --- Thanks. You basically believe Shelley and Lovelady lied in their WC Testimonies.
Your having Lovelady and Shelley go through the TSBD front door and then walk back to the freight elevator, throws off the WC timeline of Truly and Baker going back there. And likewise, Baker then confronting Oswald inside the 2nd floor lunchroom. You are resetting those timelines.
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No, read the post again.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 09, 2026, 08:59:03 AM ---No, read the post again.
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Personally, I believe the current assigned timelines of those involved have been jiggered in order to get Officer Baker in position to allegedly see a figure moving on the other side of the vestibule door window. Your scenario of Lovelady/Shelley going through the TSBD front door actually resets these timelines where they should be. You need to put on your Big Boy Pants and accept this. Sure, you're gonna have to dodge the barbs that will instantly be hurled at you, but they also did likewise to Nikola Tesla. And look where he stands today.
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