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How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on June 02, 2026, 09:49:51 PM ---That’s right because Adams /Stiles got to the ground floor by 60 secs and if they saw Lovelady / Shelley then it’s an amazing teleportation trick.
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What's an amazing teleportation trick?
Lovelady and Shelley had to walk to the back of the first floor.
It's a distance of around 80 feet from the front steps.
This can be walked in 20 seconds at a very leisurely pace.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 08, 2026, 10:14:59 PM ---What's an amazing teleportation trick?
Lovelady and Shelley had to walk to the back of the first floor.
It's a distance of around 80 feet from the front steps.
This can be walked in 20 seconds at a very leisurely pace.
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We see Lovelady and Shelley are still standing on the TSBD front steps as Officer Baker runs toward the TSBD. This would be about 25 seconds after the Kill Shot. This leaves them 35 seconds to immediately leave the TSBD front steps and then travel to the 1st floor freight elevator area. They never testified that they took this trip to the freight elevator and the 35 second time restraint also rules it out. Those 2 guys back by the freight elevator were Not Lovelady and Shelley.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 08, 2026, 10:37:16 PM --- We see Lovelady and Shelley are still standing on the TSBD front steps as Officer Baker runs toward the TSBD. This would be about 25 seconds after the Kill Shot. This leaves them 35 seconds to immediately leave the TSBD front steps and then travel to the 1st floor freight elevator area. They never testified that they took this trip to the freight elevator and the 35 second time restraint also rules it out. Those 2 guys back by the freight elevator were Not Lovelady and Shelley.
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Victoria Adams hit the first floor running around 60 seconds after the shooting and she saw Shelley and Lovelady not far from the elevators.
Truly and Baker arrived seconds later and Baker saw two white men in the same area.
Your suggestion that Shelley and Lovelady could not have made it from the front steps to somewhere near the elevators in 35 seconds is utter nonsense. It's no more than 80 feet and can be covered comfortably in 15 to 20 seconds.
In their initial statements both Lovelady and Shelley basically said they went straight back in the building after the shooting (Shelley ran across the street and back). They lied about their movements in subsequent statements.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 08, 2026, 10:53:37 PM ---Victoria Adams hit the first floor running around 60 seconds after the shooting and she saw Shelley and Lovelady not far from the elevators.
Truly and Baker arrived seconds later and Baker saw two white men in the same area.
Your suggestion that Shelley and Lovelady could not have made it from the front steps to somewhere near the elevators in 35 seconds is utter nonsense. It's no more than 80 feet and can be covered comfortably in 15 to 20 seconds.
In their initial statements both Lovelady and Shelley basically said they went straight back in the building after the shooting (Shelley ran across the street and back). They lied about their movements in subsequent statements.
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What Lovelady/Shelley "initial statements" are you referring to? I see they gave WC Testimony, but I am Not familiar with their "initial statements".
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 08, 2026, 11:15:06 PM --- What Lovelady/Shelley "initial statements" are you referring to? I see they gave WC Testimony, but I am Not familiar with their "initial statements".
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On the day of the assassination Shelley and Lovelady gave affidavits to the Dallas Police Department.
These are the initial statements they made regarding their activities around the time of the assassination.
By "initial" I mean that these are the very first official statements they made.
In his affidavit Shelley basically said that, after the shots he ran across the Elm Street Extension, met Gloria Calvery coming the other way, returned to the building and went inside to phone his wife.
In his affidavit Lovelady states that after the shooting he went back inside the building.
In their later lies both men insist that after the shooting they stood on the steps for around 3 minutes, spoke with Gloria Calvery, wandered across to the concrete spur that divides the Elm Streets, saw Truly and Baker outside the building, wandered down to the railroad yard where they stayed for a few minutes, then entered the building via the little known west door.
Both men forget to mention all this in their initial statements because what they actually did was as follows:
Both men were stood on the front steps when the shots were fired.
Shelley ran across the extension and bumped into a distraught Gloria Calvery who was screaming that the President had been shot. He ran back to the steps with her while she told Lovelady, and everyone else on the steps about the shooting. While this was happening Baker arrives and goes up the front steps into the lobby. Shelley, Lovelady and Truly go up the steps and enter the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady make their way to the back of the first floor while Baker is talking to Truly. Adams sees Shelley and Lovelady as she races to the back door. Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive on the scene where Baker sees the two white men who can only be Shelley and Lovelady.
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