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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #238 on: June 02, 2026, 01:35:50 PM »
There are a number of forum members who have certain expertise when it comes to image analysis.
I am completely out of my comfort zone with that sort of thing, so I need a helping hand trying to understand how the image below was created.



The identification of Lovelady in the above image has been described as "conclusive" and "definitive".
Even though the known testimonial evidence relating to this identification, when taken as a whole, completely refutes this identification (as I've been arguing on a different thread).
It has boiled down to so-called researchers simply ignoring the evidence because  how can the "testimonial evidence affect what we can see with our own eyes?"
After all, just look at the level of detail in the shirt. It is clearly Lovelady's shirt because it is so distinctive and we can clearly see the pattern of it.

At some point in the debate on the other thread I posted this crop from the Gerda Dunkel footage:


I was struck by the lack of detail on 'Lovelady's' shirt.
There didn't seem to be even the faintest trace of it.
I knew Kamp had used Photoshop to sharpen the images but when I tried it I got nothing.

So I had a look on the Prayer Man website where other forum members kept pointing me towards to see if I could get a better understanding. In the part about the image Kamp writes:

"For starters, take a look at the Gerda Dunckel gifs below and check Lovelady’s shirt in the very first few frames and also check out the large still I snagged from PBS Breaking The News, click to enlarge, yes that shirt is checkered, compare it to other garments of a lighter colour or the polka dot coat which do not smudge due to  motion and quality loss. Then look at Shelly, with his black suit and his facial and hair features."

I've already posted the Dunkel image and there is no checkered image there so he must be referring to the PBS image posted on the website, from which I got this image (all I did was blow the image up and crop it from the original image):



Now, with all the best will in the world, I'm not seeing the checkered pattern that Kamp is insisting is there.
I can see four pieces of rectangular, what I would call, photographic 'noise' impinging on the right side of' Lovelady' as we look at him and there is a similar effect bleeding over between the two men. But no checkered pattern.
If any of our resident images can make a comment on my assessment of this I would be grateful.

So, we then come to the image that the amazing level of detail on Lovelady's shirt appears to be taken from. As Kamp explains:

This...Scan of a Couch film still at first looks very harsh and doesn’t overall have much information, but it does happen to show a lot regarding our illustrious duo. This print comes from the Richard E. Sprague Collection from the National Archives.




And this is where my complete lack of expertise kicks in.
In the above image we can now clearly see that there is a defined pattern on Lovelady's shirt.
There is a square of a lighter shade around the two men. I don't know if it was like that when Kemp originally got the image or if this is a result of his work on the image. If it is I would really like to see the original image
But here's the thing I'm not getting. To my eye, the Sprague image (from which we get the "definitive" Lovelady) lacks an incredible amount of detail compared to this large crop PBS image:




Note in PBS image, the pattern of the first floor 'windows',the concrete lattice in front of the windows, and then notice the complete lack of it in the Sprague image. Just compare the two images in general and we acn see that the PBS image is a far more detailed, yet the close-up of Lovelady in that image does not have any hint of the incredible shirt pattern in the inferior Sprague image.
Can anyone help me understand this?

LATER EDIT:
If anyone has, or can point me to, the Couch film that has the amazing level of detail please could you post it because every version I've come across so far is not anywhere near close the definition required

   Just look at those "Bag Ladies" standing on the very corner of the Island as the Elm St sidewalk wraps around the corner. There is only a fine sliver of the Island between that Traffic Signal Pole and the Elm St Extension. Fedora Man was standing close to the Traffic Signal Pole on the Wiegman Film. What we see through the legs of Fedora Man is the actual surface street of the Elm St Extension. And why are we able to see the surface street behind him? Because the "getaway" car is Not parked on the Elm St Extension. Not Yet! 

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #239 on: June 02, 2026, 08:04:43 PM »
   This is a Darnell Film still frame Blowup. It is timestamped as being 20 seconds after the kill shot. The figure you see with all the forehead showing is Billy Lovelady. He is standing on the steps in front of the TSBD. He is almost standing in the very same spot that the Altgens photo showed him to be standing. Without a doubt, this is Lovelady 20 seconds after the kill shot. Lovelady can Not be in 2 places at the same time. Lovelady is Not one of the "2 Guys" distancing themselves from the "getaway" car on the Couch Film.

If that’s Lovelady then its doubtful that he and Shelly can do all they said they did and get back to the west.side rear door entrance in time to be the 2 unidentified men that Baker and Truly met 50 secs later at the rear elevators 1st floor.

But it can’t be Oswald there on the steps 20
sec post shots either because everyone has been gradually led to believe that the Altgens 6 photo at Z255 must be Lovelady even though no one has replicated that weird position and photograph it such that the lower shirt sleeve (with no hand !?) appears IN FRONT of whom ever the black guy is standing at the base of the steps. ( it’s either Roy Lewis or the big guy named Carl something).


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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #240 on: June 02, 2026, 08:28:43 PM »
If that’s Lovelady then its doubtful that he and Shelly can do all they said they did and get back to the west.side rear door entrance in time to be the 2 unidentified men that Baker and Truly met 50 secs later at the rear elevators 1st floor.

But it can’t be Oswald there on the steps 20
sec post shots either because everyone has been gradually led to believe that the Altgens 6 photo at Z255 must be Lovelady even though no one has replicated that weird position and photograph it such that the lower shirt sleeve (with no hand !?) appears IN FRONT of whom ever the black guy is standing at the base of the steps. ( it’s either Roy Lewis or the big guy named Carl something).

    I agree. That was Not Lovelady & Shelley that were back by the freight elevator when Truly and Baker were back there. There is Nothing to support that claim.
   

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #241 on: June 02, 2026, 09:49:51 PM »
    I agree. That was Not Lovelady & Shelley that were back by the freight elevator when Truly and Baker were back there. There is Nothing to support that claim.
   

That’s right because Adams /Stiles got to the ground floor by 60 secs and if they saw Lovelady / Shelley then it’s an amazing teleportation trick.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #242 on: June 02, 2026, 11:21:12 PM »
That’s right because Adams /Stiles got to the ground floor by 60 secs and if they saw Lovelady / Shelley then it’s an amazing teleportation trick.

    The :50 seconds after the kill shot there were "2 Guys" near the freight elevator is a screwy story. That's exceptionally quick for anyone to get back there.
    Bart Kamp is now challenging the Oswald/Officer Baker 2nd floor lunchroom confrontation. He thinks that did Not happen.  Baker/Truly arriving at the freight elevator :50 seconds after the kill shot, may might been fabricated to fit their arriving at the 2nd Floor at the same time as Oswald allegedly did. 

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #243 on: June 08, 2026, 09:31:21 PM »
Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

    Those "2 Guys" alongside the "getaway" car above, just exited that vehicle. DPD Officer Smith, (on the (L)), just ran past the driver side of their car, and they witnessed DPD Motorcycle officer Baker, ( running behind them), rounding the corner and parking his motorcycle along the Elm St Curb. All of this is happening about 20 seconds after the Kill Shot. These conspirators did Not anticipate law enforcement being all around them this quickly. They are now distancing themselves from this "getaway" car and heading toward the "wide open" Huge Gates. Their expected passenger(s) would soon be exiting those same "wide open" Huge Gates.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #244 on: June 08, 2026, 10:14:59 PM »
That’s right because Adams /Stiles got to the ground floor by 60 secs and if they saw Lovelady / Shelley then it’s an amazing teleportation trick.

What's an amazing teleportation trick?
Lovelady and Shelley had to walk to the back of the first floor.
It's a distance of around 80 feet from the front steps.
This can be walked in 20 seconds at a very leisurely pace.