20250917 Revision of my Shelley-Lovelady-Arce post from 2018 (Prayer Woman thread). The calculated heights were not revised.
Alan Ford
Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #955 on: July 01, 2018, 01:29:48 PM »
I'm pretty sure the man in black in Couch is not Bill Shelley but Danny Arce!
Alan,
That looks like a great call, as the determined heights of Bill Shelley and Danny Arce will show.
Using my Dealey Plaza 3D model I measured the apparent heights for Arce, Williams, and Shelley as they are escorted to a police car. In the animation I included Billy Lovelady popping-in next to Shelley for the group photo. Results for their heights are as follows:
Arce 5'11”
Williams 6' 2.5”
Detective 5' 9”
Lovelady 5' 8.5” (from other sources)
Shelley 5'6”
The next animation compares a 5’8.5” Lovelady with a 5’6” Shelley and 5’11” Danny Arce with a Couch frame. To make these renderings I used my on-site measurement for the curb height of 9”. I also added a Lovelady stand-in, who's calculated height does fit nicely with the alleged Lovelady in Couch. The height analysis shows that the two men in Couch could include Billy Lovelady, but not Bill Shelley. Danny Arce is a good fit as the taller man.
Excellent work, as usual, James.
Hopefully it puts this issue to rest once and for all.
It is clear, watching the part of the Darnell clip this identification is taken from, that the two men are not walking together. The 'Lovelady' figure starts off well behind the 'Shelley' figure but in the very brief clip he rapidly passes him by and is far out in front of him by the end of it. If the clip had run just a couple of seconds more 'Lovelady' would have been out of sight.
The Elm Street identification is based on the claims made by Shelley and Lovelady during their WC testimonies, that after the shooting they walked along the Elm Street extension towards the railroad yards. Isn't it strange that those who buy this claim forget that Shelley and Lovelady also claimed they were on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria showed up, that they then went across to what both men refer to as the "little, old island" where they stayed for a further minute or two before heading along the extension. This, of course, is flatly contradicted by the fact the Darnell footage in question was taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
Why accept one part of their testimonies but ignore the rest?
A close analysis of this Chris Davidson GIF -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1 - reveals that Karan Hicks (the woman in white) has reached the bottom step and is just beginning to climb them. This tells us that as the Darnell footage is capturing the moment that Hicks and Calvery arrive at the steps. They have only just arrived at the steps and Gloria has just begun to tell everyone there that the President has been shot. This moment is recalled by both Lovelady and Buell Frazier in their WC testimonies.
It is simply impossible for the Elm Street identification to be correct.
Just as your own excellent analysis has confirmed.
