Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

       I should have the remaining peer review in next week. This process takes time due to the subject matter being NEW and involves corroborating tentacles. No Spoilers  ......................   STAY TUNED  ..................................

[Lance Payette]

       I should have the remaining peer review in next week. This process takes time due to the subject matter being NEW and involves corroborating tentacles. No Spoilers  ......................   STAY TUNED  ..................................

Having gone through the often-unpleasant peer review process for law review articles, it doesn't mean asking three other True Believers "So whaddya think?" Review is solicited by an editor from qualified reviewers who are and remain anonymous to the author. I realize this isn't realistic for whatever you're talking about, but "Dan, Michael and Martin don't think I'm crazy" is not peer review. We will indeed STAY TUNED, just as we've been STAYING TUNED for the bombshells you promised months ago, but hopefully your peer review is something more than "my fellow True Believers like it."

[Royell Storing]

Having gone through the often-unpleasant peer review process for law review articles, it doesn't mean asking three other True Believers "So whaddya think?" Review is solicited by an editor from qualified reviewers who are and remain anonymous to the author. I realize this isn't realistic for whatever you're talking about, but "Dan, Michael and Martin don't think I'm crazy" is not peer review. We will indeed STAY TUNED, just as we've been STAYING TUNED for the bombshells you promised months ago, but hopefully your peer review is something more than "my fellow True Believers like it."

      Instead of welcoming new information, you instead want to poison the well. You are jaded. Why would anyone take your opinion seriously when you render judgement on something you have yet to see?  You are an extremely sad cat. 

[Dan O'meara]

  There is nothing in either Shelley or Lovelady's affidavits that rules out their moving down the Elm St Ext. They each filed only a 1 page "affidavit". Within this very confined space, they simply did not get into the minutia of their itinerary post kill shot. And we also need to consider that these 2 guys are no Phi Beta Cappa's. Their WC Q/A permitted the WC attorney to deeply probe their actions that day.   

There is nothing in either Shelley or Lovelady's affidavits that rules out their moving down the Elm St Ext.

Of course the affidavits don't rule out anything.
I'm not arguing that they do.
All I'm doing is presenting what they ACTUALLY DO SAY.
Not what they don't say.
Shelley and Lovelady are on the steps when the shots are fired.
Shelley runs across the street and returns.
Lovelady never moves from the steps.
Both men re-enter the building.

But you are free to add whatever you want to their affidavits.
But which version of their lies are you going to add?
Lovelady tells the FBI that he and Shelley immediately raced to the area where the limo stopped before speeding away. NOT THE RAILROAD YARD. Is this what you are going to add?
Or maybe you could add that, after meeting Gloria across the street, Shelley then testifies that he stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria ran up to where he was. Are you going to add this contradiction?
Or maybe you could add the version where they accompany police officers along the extension (not in Darnell!) and stay in the railroad yards for TEN MINUTES. The affidavits don't rule this out, so maybe you could add that.
Or maybe add Lovelady's HSCA revelation - that he didn't re-enter the building for 20 minutes!!
And while you're at it, add Shelley's report of seeing Truly and Baker still outside the building more than 3 minutes after the assassination OR the version he told George and Patricia Nash, where Truly and Baker were still outside the building FIVE TO SIX MINUTES after the assassination!

You are quite correct, their affidavits don't rule out any of these lies.

They each filed only a 1 page "affidavit". Within this very confined space, they simply did not get into the minutia of their itinerary post kill shot.


'Went to railroad yard'.
Four words.
That's all either man had to write, so your argument, that there wasn't enough room to fit all this in, doesn't really hold water.
The "minutia of their itinerary"??
Shelley mentions running across the street but not his more substantial trip along to the railroad yard.
Why?
He then goes on to clarify Gloria's name. Isn't that minutia?
He went back into the building to phone his wife. Isn't that minutia?
He wanted to tell her what happened. Isn't that minutia?
He was told to watch the elevators then told Jack Dougherty to look after them. Minutia?
As for Lovelady, his trip to the railroad yard is ALL OF HIS ITINERARY before re-entering the building.

I reject your arguments, that there wasn't enough space to write down what they did or that it was "minutia".
In your version of events BOTH MEN neglect to mention the railroad yard.
I don't buy it.
Their affidavits reveal their true movements before re-entering the building.
They never waited on the steps for 3 minutes before Gloria came up or ran to the area where the limo stopped or accompanied police officers or stayed outside for five, ten, twenty minutes or any other contradictory version of events they went on to tell.

They were approaching the area near the elevators 50 to 60 seconds after the shots.
Adams saw them, she actually called out to them, as she raced by on her way out of the back door.
Baker and Truly arrived on the scene 60 to 70 seconds after the shots. Adams and Styles were already out the back of the building. Lovelady and Shelley had split up, but were still in that area.

[Lance Payette]

      Instead of welcoming new information, you instead want to poison the well. You are jaded. Why would anyone take your opinion seriously when you render judgement on something you have yet to see?  You are an extremely sad cat.

Oh, I welcome new information! I can barely contain my excitement over the bombshell you promised when I first joined the forum and the bombshells you have promised since. You are the one who keeps using the phrase "peer review." I merely point out that having three fellow True Believers agree with you is not peer review. Indeed, one of my most frequent challenges to CTers at the Other Forum was to submit their bombshell medical, ballistics and forensic claims to ACTUAL peer review. Never happens, never will.

[Royell Storing]

There is nothing in either Shelley or Lovelady's affidavits that rules out their moving down the Elm St Ext.

Of course the affidavits don't rule out anything.
I'm not arguing that they do.
All I'm doing is presenting what they ACTUALLY DO SAY.
Not what they don't say.
Shelley and Lovelady are on the steps when the shots are fired.
Shelley runs across the street and returns.
Lovelady never moves from the steps.
Both men re-enter the building.

But you are free to add whatever you want to their affidavits.
But which version of their lies are you going to add?
Lovelady tells the FBI that he and Shelley immediately raced to the area where the limo stopped before speeding away. NOT THE RAILROAD YARD. Is this what you are going to add?
Or maybe you could add that, after meeting Gloria across the street, Shelley then testifies that he stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria ran up to where he was. Are you going to add this contradiction?
Or maybe you could add the version where they accompany police officers along the extension (not in Darnell!) and stay in the railroad yards for TEN MINUTES. The affidavits don't rule this out, so maybe you could add that.
Or maybe add Lovelady's HSCA revelation - that he didn't re-enter the building for 20 minutes!!
And while you're at it, add Shelley's report of seeing Truly and Baker still outside the building more than 3 minutes after the assassination OR the version he told George and Patricia Nash, where Truly and Baker were still outside the building FIVE TO SIX MINUTES after the assassination!

You are quite correct, their affidavits don't rule out any of these lies.

They each filed only a 1 page "affidavit". Within this very confined space, they simply did not get into the minutia of their itinerary post kill shot.


'Went to railroad yard'.
Four words.
That's all either man had to write, so your argument, that there wasn't enough room to fit all this in, doesn't really hold water.
The "minutia of their itinerary"??
Shelley mentions running across the street but not his more substantial trip along to the railroad yard.
Why?
He then goes on to clarify Gloria's name. Isn't that minutia?
He went back into the building to phone his wife. Isn't that minutia?
He wanted to tell her what happened. Isn't that minutia?
He was told to watch the elevators then told Jack Dougherty to look after them. Minutia?
As for Lovelady, his trip to the railroad yard is ALL OF HIS ITINERARY before re-entering the building.

I reject your arguments, that there wasn't enough space to write down what they did or that it was "minutia".
In your version of events BOTH MEN neglect to mention the railroad yard.
I don't buy it.
Their affidavits reveal their true movements before re-entering the building.
They never waited on the steps for 3 minutes before Gloria came up or ran to the area where the limo stopped or accompanied police officers or stayed outside for five, ten, twenty minutes or any other contradictory version of events they went on to tell.

They were approaching the area near the elevators 50 to 60 seconds after the shots.
Adams saw them, she actually called out to them, as she raced by on her way out of the back door.
Baker and Truly arrived on the scene 60 to 70 seconds after the shots. Adams and Styles were already out the back of the building. Lovelady and Shelley had split up, but were still in that area.

    "What they DO Say"?  Where do they say they went into the TSBD through the front door? They don't. YOU Do.  Anyway, we both are in agreement that the assassination was not the sole work of Oswald.  With that in mind  ............................. STAY TUNED  ................................