Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you deny that Gloria Calvery can be seen on the steps in Couch-Darnell?

-- Tom

   It takes more than the Blurry image of someone's BACK for me to apply a positive ID.

[Tom Graves]

It takes more than the blurry image of someone's back for me to apply a positive ID.

But not so blurry as to prevent us from discerning in the black-and-white Couch-Darnell clip that she's wearing a "black" blouse, a "black" headscarf and a plaid skirt, and that she's standing next to, or going up the steps with, her dressed-all-in-white colleague (Karan Hicks or Carol Reed).

[Royell Storing]

But not so blurry as to prevent us from discerning that she's standing next to (or going up the steps with) her dressed-all-in-white colleague, and that she's wearing a "black" blouse, a "black" headscarf and a plaid skirt in the black-and-white Couch-Darnell clip.

   It's a Blurry B/W snippet. Firmly applying Colors to something such as this is reckless and reflects on other observations you make. Like I said before, this is the Mis-ID of Oswald on the Altgens Photo all over again. Learn from the mistakes of others. Don't duplicate their knee jerk inaccurate conclusions. 

[Tom Graves]

It's a blurry B/W snippet. Firmly applying colors to something such as this is reckless and reflects on other observations you make. Like I said before, this is the mis-ID of Oswald on the Altgens photo all over again.

Dear Comrade Storing,

What "colors" did I attribute to Calvery and her colleague in the back-and-white Couch-Darnell clip other than "black" and "white"?

Question: Why don't you want Calvery on the steps 25 seconds after the assassination?

Because it would discredit your grandiose "HUGE GATES" CT?

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  You have absolutely no idea regarding my impression of how the Huge Gates may have been involved in the JFK Assassination. I have yet to lay out everything I have found in my continuing research of this overlooked Dealey Plaza area. I also continue conferring with other researchers inside and outside of this forum. 

[Tom Graves]

You have absolutely no idea regarding my impression of how the Huge Gates may have been involved in the JFK assassination. I have yet to lay out everything I have found in my continuing research of this overlooked Dealey Plaza area. I also continue conferring with other researchers inside and outside of this forum.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Would Calvery's being on the steps 25 seconds after the final shot in Couch-Darnell take the wind out of your "investigation"?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear dan "Mister Magoo" o'meara,

Shelley's and Lovelady's allegedly spotting Baker and Truly near the entrance to the TSBD indicates (as does Baker's and Truly's location near the steps in Couch-Darnell and Shelley's and Lovelady's location on the Elm Street Extension sidewalk in same) that they did so about 25 seconds after the final shot.

 
A fantasy, based on 'it looks like Lovelady to me'.
Great stuff, thomas. You should be proud 

You previously posted this:

No affidavits, official statements, or witness testimonies explicitly place Billy Lovelady and William Shelley on or very near the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot


This is a bare-faced 'deliberate falsehood'.
As you well know, both Shelley and Lovelady place themselves on the front steps for at least 3 minutes after the shooting in their WC testimonies.
How you can knowingly post such a brazen 'deliberate falsehood' is beyond me.

Which, in turn, suggests that Shelley and Lovelady had already intercepted Gloria Calvery at or near the "island," where she told them that JFK had been shot and from which they started running / walking down Elm Street Extension toward the railway yard and were "captured" doing so in the aforementioned Couch-Darnell clip.

Another 'deliberate falsehood' created out of thin air.
A fantasy of your own making.
It's embarrassing.
That you couldn't care less about the evidence is one thing, not caring about the truth is another.

Which "old, little island" 1) lies between the steps and where the limo was when the final shot rang out, 2) lies between the steps and the triple underpass, 3) Shelley and Lovelady admitted going over to, and 4) Buell Wesley Frazier saw them walking towards as they were "heading towards the triple underpass" before Calvary came up to the steps about ten seconds later.

We don't know who your "Lovelady On The Steps In Couch-Darnell" was, danny boy o'meara, but it's a good bet that your "Shelley" was Ochus V. Campbell, Roy Truly's motorcade-watching sidekick and Vice-President / Secretary of the Texas School Book Depository Company.

-- thomas

More 'deliberate falsehoods' and nonsense.
What has become of you, thomas?
What is it you're doing here, posting on the forum?
You don't engage in debate.
You don't care about the evidence.
You just make things up.
Are you lonely or something?

[Tom Graves]

You previously posted this:

No affidavits, official statements, or witness testimonies explicitly place Billy Lovelady and William Shelley on or very near the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) steps approximately 25 seconds after the final shot

Dear dan o'meara,

Did anyone other than Shelley and Lovelady place Shelley and Lovelady on the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot?

Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?

Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately three minutes, I would say.

Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, it's---I say approximately; I can't say because I don't have a watch; it could.

Mr. BALL - Had people started to run?

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps.

Mr. BALL - Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?

Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.

. . . . . . .

Mr. Ball. Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?

Mr. Shelley. It would have to be three or four minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.

Mr. Ball. She ran back up to the door and you had still remained standing there?

Mr. Shelley. Yes.

Mr. Ball. Going to watch the rest of the parade were you? [LOL!]

Mr. Shelley. Yes.

. . . . . . . .


Why did Lovelady and Shelley conflate the Darnell-Couch / Mark Tyler-determined 25 seconds with three minutes?

If Lovelady and Shelley were so spaced out that 25 seconds seemed like three minutes to them, it's no surprise that they forgot that they had spoken with Calvery at-or-near the "island" about fifteen seconds after the final shot and had taken off for the railway yard from there.


-- Tom