NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible

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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2025, 11:47:27 PM »
“I am not sure what you are looking at.  The HSCA photographic panel concluded that JFK was reacting to a servere external stimulus before disappearing behind the Stemmons sign.  I see a marked change between z193 when he is waving and smiling and z198 when he drops his right hand and turns his head forward:”

I am sure you do, but that has no value with the Willis Photo and Mary Woodward’s statement contradicting you.
Neither contradict JFK beginning his reaction between z193-198 when he turns from looking hard right to more or less forward.  Willis' photo shows JFK from behind so it is hard to tell where he is looking or where his right arm is as it is in front of him.  But it is consistent with JFK in the position looking forward as seen in z201-203 (in z202 JFK' head is partially obscured by top of the sign post). 

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You will also note that at this time they have just passed Mary Woodward:"After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right. "  As we know, a bullet precedes the sound of the muzzle blast.  At 200 feet the time difference is almost 2 frames.

How does that equate to Z193.

She stated JFK was hit after he turned forward which does not occur until after Z207.
He has turned forward by z198.  This is apparent despite the resolution of the frames being poor.

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JFK disappears behind the sign at Z210 while still waving

JFK is still waving in the Willis photo thought to be Z210 and so is JBC. True campaigners tn your story to ignore having been shot and keep motoring on.
His arm may be elevated in front of him.  But he does not initiate any waves.

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What you fail to post is all of Woodward’s 11/22 statement. Even though she does not think the first shot hit JFK, Mary has JFK reacted to the first shot, and the second shot was the headshot followed by another shot. So much for JBC hit by a separate shot, let alone two shots.

M Woodward   “.I don't believe anyone was hit with the first bullet.[b] The President and Mrs. Kennedy turned and looked around,[/b] as if they, too, didn't believe the noise was really coming from a gun...Then after a moment's pause, there was another shot and I saw the President start slumping in the car. This was followed rapidly by another shot. Mrs. Kennedy stood up in the car, turned halfway around, then fell on top of her husband’s body…”
She also noted that the third shot rapidly followed the second. In 1988 she gave this interview:

At around 1:00 she says:

“The second two shots were immediate --- it was almost as if one were an echo of the other -- they came so quickly. The sound of one did not cease until the second shot.” … “and then the third shot came very, very quickly, on top of the second one”

So her statement is perfectly consistent with simply not being aware that JFK was reacting at least 5 seconds before the last shot.   If the last two were so rapid, as she described, this means he was reacting to the first shot.

She was also adamant that there were three shots (see from :48-:59).

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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2025, 12:06:12 AM »
Neither contradict JFK beginning his reaction between z193-198 when he turns from looking hard right to more or less forward.  Willis' photo shows JFK from behind so it is hard to tell where he is looking or where his right arm is as it is in front of him.  But it is consistent with JFK in the position looking forward as seen in z201-203 (in z202 JFK' head is partially obscured by top of the sign post). 
He has turned forward by z198.  This is apparent despite the resolution of the frames being poor.
His arm may be elevated in front of him.  But he does not initiate any waves.
She also noted that the third shot rapidly followed the second. In 1988 she gave this interview:

At around 1:00 she says:

“The second two shots were immediate --- it was almost as if one were an echo of the other -- they came so quickly. The sound of one did not cease until the second shot.” … “and then the third shot came very, very quickly, on top of the second one”

So her statement is perfectly consistent with simply not being aware that JFK was reacting at least 5 seconds before the last shot.   If the last two were so rapid, as she described, this means he was reacting to the first shot.

She was also adamant that there were three shots (see from :48-:59).

Yes they do contradict it.

You are just seeing what you want to see.

There is a 4K version that shows his face. He is fine going behind the sign. 

The Willis Photo is from behind the sign. He is still looking and waving. 

Woodward’s 11/22 statement is sufficient. It just doesn’t support this nonsense.

Not really. she had the third shot after the headshot. So much for JBC being hit twice.

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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2025, 05:14:14 PM »
Yes they do contradict it.

You are just seeing what you want to see.

There is a 4K version that shows his face. He is fine going behind the sign. 

The Willis Photo is from behind the sign. He is still looking and waving.
Where is his hand seen in the Willis photo?:
 

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Woodward’s 11/22 statement is sufficient. It just doesn’t support this nonsense.

Not really. she had the third shot after the headshot. So much for JBC being hit twice.
I agree that the first shot did not miss and was after z186 and that Woodward's impression that the first shot missed was wrong.  You, however, think she was wrong in her clear recollection of three shots, and that the last shot struck JFK in the head. 

So I gather you also reject the Connallys' evidence that JBC was struck by a second shot before the head shot....

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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2025, 05:51:00 PM »
Where is his hand seen in the Willis photo?:
 
I agree that the first shot did not miss and was after z186 and that Woodward's impression that the first shot missed was wrong.  You, however, think she was wrong in her clear recollection of three shots, and that the last shot struck JFK in the head. 

So I gather you also reject the Connallys' evidence that JBC was struck by a second shot before the head shot....

Where is his hand seen in the Willis photo?:

I don't have any problem seeing it in the picture. Where do you think it is?

I agree that the first shot did not miss and was after z186 and that Woodward's impression that the first shot missed was wrong.  You, however, think she was wrong in her clear recollection of three shots, and that the last shot struck JFK in the head. 


After Z210. The second shot struck him. She is unsure even in her statement.

So I gather you also reject the Connallys' evidence that JBC was struck by a second shot before the head shot....

There is no evidence that JBC was struck by any other shot than the first shot that passed through JFK.

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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2025, 06:31:47 PM »
Where is his hand seen in the Willis photo?:

I don't have any problem seeing it in the picture. Where do you think it is?
It is in front of his torso and therefore can't be seen in Willis' photo. We can see that in the zfilm.

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After Z210. The second shot struck him. She is unsure even in her statement.

So I gather you also reject the Connallys' evidence that JBC was struck by a second shot before the head shot....

There is no evidence that JBC was struck by any other shot than the first shot that passed through JFK.
No evidence?  I gather you don't think that:
  • Nellie's testimony that she watched JFK react to the first shot and then saw her husband hit by the second qualifies as "evidence"
  • Altgens' testimony that his #6 photo (showing JFK reacting to his neck wound) was taken after the first but before any other qualifies as "evidence"
  • SA George Hickey's statement that he was turned forward watching JFK for the last two shot qualifies as "evidence"
  • the statements of over 20 witnesses that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot qualify as "evidence"

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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2025, 11:19:19 PM »
It is in front of his torso and therefore can't be seen in Willis' photo. We can see that in the zfilm.
No evidence?  I gather you don't think that:
  • Nellie's testimony that she watched JFK react to the first shot and then saw her husband hit by the second qualifies as "evidence"
  • Altgens' testimony that his #6 photo (showing JFK reacting to his neck wound) was taken after the first but before any other qualifies as "evidence"
  • SA George Hickey's statement that he was turned forward watching JFK for the last two shot qualifies as "evidence"
  • the statements of over 20 witnesses that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot qualify as "evidence"

JFK's and six other witnesses' conscious reactions to the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot were all captured on film between Zapruder frames 142 and 150.

Oswald's three shots were

1) a difficult, a steeply-downward-angled shot at hypothetical "Z-124, i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming after a 17-second film-saving pause

2) between Z-221 and Z-224 (impossible to determine precisely due to the visual obstruction of the Stemmons Freeway sign)

3) at Z-313

Total elapsed time = 10.2 seconds, more than enough time for former Marine sharpshooter Oswald to fire the second and third shots accurately from his bolt-action short-rifle.


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Re: NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2025, 07:32:15 PM »
JFK's and six other witnesses' conscious reactions to the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot were all captured on film between Zapruder frames 142 and 150
...and completely reconcilable with normal head turning when passing along a street with people on both sides:


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Total elapsed time = 10.2 seconds, more than enough time for former Marine sharpshooter Oswald to fire the second and third shots accurately from his bolt-action short-rifle.
And so is 6.45 seconds.  The difference is that according to all the evidence, the first shot was after z186.