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Arlen Specter's SBT Notebook

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Tom Graves:

--- Quote from: Lance Payette on September 14, 2025, 11:02:57 PM ---Does it make beaucoup (my family is from New Orleans, bub - beaucoup is one word) less sense because you say so or because this is what the evidence shows? John Orr was a DOJ antitrust lawyer when he did his analysis that he then submitted to the AG, and I am inclined to take him more seriously than someone who thinks the KGB runs America. (Having been an antitrust lawyer for a Fortune 100 corporation, I can tell you this is not where dummies go to practice law.) His theory is that a KGB drone equipped with magnets sucked the fragment out of the limo before it was found - no, wait, I'm confusing Orr with you. In fact, his theory is that the fragment remained in the limo but was lost in the frantic removal of JBC at Parkland. I don't know if Orr is right and don't really care. The fact is, the wrist wounds are the biggest problem for CE 399, JBC's recollections are among the biggest problems for the SBT, and Orr's theory is seemingly helpful in both regards while doing no violence to the LN/SBT narrative.

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Surely you beaugest.

David Von Pein:

--- Quote from: Lance Payette on September 14, 2025, 11:02:57 PM ---The fact is, the wrist wounds are the biggest problem for CE 399, JBC's recollections are among the biggest problems for the SBT, and Orr's theory is seemingly helpful in both regards while doing no violence to the LN/SBT narrative.

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Does Mr. Orr think, therefore, that it is just a rather amazing coincidence when John Connally's right arm goes flying upward at a point in time in the Zapruder Film which was within a split second of Connally being struck by a bullet? [See the Z-Film clips below.]

And this right arm / hat flying upward movement is occurring, of course, several seconds before any fragments from the JFK head shot could have possibly hit Connally's wrist.

I suppose the argument can be made that John Connally's right arm/hat flip had nothing at all to do with the bullet that was striking the Texas Governor at that exact moment (or pretty close to that exact moment in time anyway), but given the fact that we know that Connally's right wrist was injured during the shooting, it's difficult for me to believe that the very rapid and jerky movement that we can see occurring with Mr. Connally's right arm is somehow not due to the fact that a rifle bullet has just struck JBC's right wrist. Wouldn't you agree, Lance?





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Lance Payette:
People are questioning me like I'm John Orr or am endorsing his theory. Did anyone actually read his analysis? He discusses this aspect at pp. 15-19.

He believes Oswald's first shot was fired at Z204 and his second shot 1.75 seconds later at Z236. He says the second shot hit JBC in the back near the right armpit at Z237 and that this is responsible for the reactions we see at Z238. He says that JBC himself thought the shot that hit him was within a couple of frames of Z234. If we can trust Michael Griffith's work on this, both JBC's chest surgeon Dr. Shaw and wrist surgeon Dr. Gregory placed the strike right about here as well. Orr has the third shot fired by a Mafia pro at Z312, 4.15 seconds after the second, and a fourth shot by Oswald immediately thereafter that missed completely.

And that's all I'm going to say about that! The shots are all such a Rohrshach test of films, photos, the dictabelt and earwitness and eyewitness testimony that my eyes glaze over and my brain shuts down. I simply find the notion that JBC's wrist wounds may have been caused by a fragment from the head shot to have considerable explanatory power even for the LN/SBT narrative and for this possibility to at least be worth considering unless it can be shown to be flatly impossible. Why there would any visceral LN reaction against this possibility is hard for me to understand.

David Von Pein:
I think it's fairly easy to establish the moment in the Zapruder Film when John Connally was struck by the bullet that hit him. I've collected several relatively good-quality clips from the Z-Film, and after looking over and over again at the zoomed-in frames showing Connally, it's pretty clear (to me anyway) that Mr. Connally is definitely reacting to an external stimulus (a bullet) in the frames immediately after Z224. There's shoulder-shrugging, hat-flipping, mouth-opening, lapel-bulging, eyes closing, and grimacing all happening between frames 225 and 230.

And yet I'm supposed to believe Connally wasn't even hit at all until Z237? That's ridiculous. (IMHO.)

Tim Nickerson:

--- Quote from: Lance Payette on September 14, 2025, 02:42:47 PM ---I corrected what I had said above about John Orr. He does not basically accept the SBT at all. He has CE 399 striking JBC in the back and ending up in his thigh, but JBC's wrist wounds being caused by a fragment from the head shot.

The wrist wound thing intrigues me. It would seemingly eliminate a lot of the issues with the condition of CE 399 (the wrist fragments are not from it) and JBC's confusion as to when he was hit (because he was hit twice), while doing no real violence to the SBT. CE 399 would do everything the SBT says except cause JBC's wrist wounds.

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Why do you say that the wrist fragments are not from CE-399?

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