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Calvery's location in Darnell supports those 2 guys' being Lovelady and Shelley
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 12, 2025, 01:42:44 AM ---Dear Danny Boy,
1) Why in the world would she "fast jog" towards the TSBD after seeing the head of the President of the United States head get blown off?
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You're missing the point, Thomas.
Royell was having a hard time believing that Gloria could have made the distance of 150 feet in 25 seconds.
I have demonstrated, using basic calculations, that Gloria could have covered the distance in 17 seconds at a modest pace of 6 mph, therefore, his concerns about Gloria making the distance in the time you proposed are unwarranted.
She could have easily made the distance in 25 seconds, so Royell's mind should be put at ease.
--- Quote ---2) How long would it take her to run, flat-out, the 120 feet (40 yards) to the "island," where Shelley testified that she told him that JFK had been shot?
-- Tom
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For argument's sake, let's say it's 120 feet to the concrete spur and 30 feet from there to the steps of the TSBD building.
Let's assume that, after having seen JFK's head explode, Gloria is in a full on, fight-or-flight, adrenaline-fueled sprint.
Let's say she's reached the perfectly achievable speed of 8mph.
It would take her a shade over 10 seconds to reach the spur.
It must be remembered that she had some kind of interaction with Shelley at the "little, old island" and most probably had an interaction with officer Joe Smith before she made her way to the front steps of the TSBD building. Let's say she reached the front steps about 20 seconds after the head shot.
This makes your identification of Shelley and Lovelady on Elm Street impossible.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 12, 2025, 11:53:51 PM ---You're missing the point, Thomas.
Royell was having a hard time believing that Gloria could have made the distance of 150 feet in 25 seconds.
I have demonstrated, using basic calculations, that Gloria could have covered the distance in 17 seconds at a modest pace of 6 mph, therefore, his concerns about Gloria making the distance in the time you proposed are unwarranted.
She could have easily made the distance in 25 seconds, so Royell's mind should be put at ease.
For argument's sake, let's say it's 120 feet to the concrete spur and 30 feet from there to the steps of the TSBD building.
Let's assume that, after having seen JFK's head explode, Gloria is in a full on, fight-or-flight, adrenaline-fueled sprint.
Let's say she's reached the perfectly achievable speed of 8mph.
It would take her a shade over 10 seconds to reach the spur.
It must be remembered that she had some kind of interaction with Shelley at the "little, old island" and most probably had an interaction with officer Joe Smith before she made her way to the front steps of the TSBD building. Let's say she reached the front steps about 20 seconds after the head shot.
This makes your identification of Shelley and Lovelady on Elm Street impossible.
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You can crunch all the numbers you want. But you are doing so in a vacuum. Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 13, 2025, 06:56:07 AM ---Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.
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Comrade Storing,
You're so full of beans, I can smell you from here.
-- Tom
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 13, 2025, 06:56:07 AM --- You can crunch all the numbers you want. But you are doing so in a vacuum. Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.
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You can crunch all the numbers you want.
I take it, Royell, that this is your way of accepting some basic mathematics, which you could (and should) have done yourself.
Gloria could have easily made the distance in the given time.
I hope that issue is now put to bed.
Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.
It's not really fair that you get to make statements like this for which you provide no evidence.
Willis wasn't close enough to see JFK's head explode and Brehm was with his boy so he just hit the deck, as did the Newmans, Summers, Hill and Moorman, Mumford and others.
In the pic below, the hard-hatted A J Millican is labelled.
To his right are stood 15 people including the Blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons, also labelled.
In the composite picture below, taken from the Weigman film, Millican is labelled.
The majority of people who were stood to his right are now gone.
This image was taken about 6 seconds after the head shot.
Everyone was not stood stunned.
The vast majority of those closest to the head shot either sprinted away or hit the deck.
I hope I have cleared this misconception up for you.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 13, 2025, 10:00:48 AM ---
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Gloria Calvery is the largish/tall woman to the immediate left of Templin.
A slice of her lighter-colored plaid skirt is visible in a Couch-Darnell frame as she's standing on a lower TSBD step and to the immediate left of her dressed-in-all-white South-West Publishing Company colleague (Karan Hicks or Carol Reed), who can also be seen in the Zapruder frame, above, standing two people to the left of Calvery.
Factoid: The famous "Running Woman" on the Elm Street Extension in Couch-Darnell is the gal who's wearing the red headscarf and standing to the immediate left of Calvery. It's pretty obvious that she (Karan Hicks or Carol Reed) either removed her headscarf, or it fell off while she was running.
PS That's "I've Got a Weak Memory but I'm Quite the Embellisher After Fifty Years" Karen Westbrook Scranton standing to the immediate left of Gal-Dressed-All-In-White.
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