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Calvery's location in Darnell supports those 2 guys' being Lovelady and Shelley
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2025, 05:11:45 AM ---I believe you have a better argument questioning the current Darnell Film Snippet timeline vs claiming Calvery traveled 1/2 a football field in only 25 seconds immediately after the Kill Shot.
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Good Lord.
I used to run 300 feet in 10.8 seconds (Not bad for a big clodhopper like you," my dad said)
Regardless, Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" (Shelley had been best man at her wedding, and he and Lovelady must have seen and heard her as she ran up the street bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm).
If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot.
Which probably means that Adams and Styles took a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, that they didn't start down until Truly and Baker had finished talking with Oswald, and that and if they saw Lovelady and/or Shelley (or vice versa) when they finally got to the first floor, it must have been after Lovelady and Shelley had returned to the TSBD.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 11, 2025, 05:50:53 AM ---Good Lord.
I used to run 300 feet in 10.8 seconds (Not bad for a big clodhopper like you," my dad said)
Regardless, Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" (Shelley had been best man at her wedding, and he and Lovelady must have seen and heard her as she ran up the street bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm).
If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot.
Which probably means that Adams and Styles took a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, that they didn't start down until Truly and Baker had finished talking with Oswald, and that and if they saw Lovelady and/or Shelley (or vice versa) when they finally got to the first floor, it must have been after Lovelady and Shelley had returned to the TSBD.
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"Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island"...If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot."
Changing the narrative to suit your own needs ::)
It really is beneath you, Tom.
Lovelady never moved from the from steps. After the shooting he was stood there when Gloria came running up to the steps telling everyone there about what she had witnessed. After this both he and Shelley reentered the TSBD building.
In his affidavit he never moves from the steps into the street.
In his WC testimony he is on the front steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrives at the steps.
There is not a scrap of testimonial evidence that even hints he left the steps before Gloria spoke to him.
Insinuating that Lovelady left the steps and met Gloria at the concrete spur is a slippery slope.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 11, 2025, 05:50:53 AM ---Good Lord.
I used to run 300 feet in 10.8 seconds (Not bad for a big clodhopper like you," my dad said)
Regardless, Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" (Shelley had been best man at her wedding, and he and Lovelady must have seen and heard her as she ran up the street bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm).
If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot.
Which probably means that Adams and Styles took a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, that they didn't start down until Truly and Baker had finished talking with Oswald, and that and if they saw Lovelady and/or Shelley (or vice versa) when they finally got to the first floor, it must have been after Lovelady and Shelley had returned to the TSBD.
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Yes, I agree that some people are bad when it comes to recalling the passage of time. That said, there is a huge difference between talking with Calvery 25 Seconds after the Kill Shot and 3-4 Minutes after the Kill Shot. Also Lovelady & Shelley claimed that they spoke with Calvery BEFORE they crossed the Elm St Ext and stood on that small island on the corner of Elm/Houston.
Do you know where on the Elm St Ext we are seeing the 2 figures that are alleged to be Lovelady & Shelley? They appear to me to be close to the sidewalk that ran down the Elm St Ext alongside the TSBD. Shelley gave WC testimony that he and Lovelady walked down the middle of the Elm St Ext toward the rail road yard. These 2 figures moving down the Elm St Ext being close to that sidewalk would be contrary to the Shelley WC testimony.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2025, 02:16:06 AM --- 60 feet? That would only be 20 yards. Try half a football field = 150 feet/50 yards. For Calvery to cover half a football field in 25 seconds immediately following the Kill Shot is a very serious timeline issue.
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A fast jog would be 6 miles per hour.
There are 5280 feet in one mile.
At 6 mph that would be a distance of 31680 feet in one hour (6 x 5280)
Divide by 60 for how many feet per minute = 528 feet in one minute at 6 mph
Divide by 60 for how many feet per seconds = 8.8 feet in one second at 6 mph
In order to find how many seconds it would take to cover 150 feet, divide 150 by 8.8 = 17 seconds
It would take Gloria 17 seconds to cover 150 feet moving at 6 mph (which is not considered running flat out, but a fast jog)
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 12, 2025, 12:28:14 AM ---A fast jog would be 6 miles per hour.
There are 5280 feet in one mile.
At 6 mph that would be a distance of 31680 feet in one hour (6 x 5280)
Divide by 60 for how many feet per minute = 528 feet in one minute at 6 mph
Divide by 60 for how many feet per seconds = 8.8 feet in one second at 6 mph
In order to find how many seconds it would take to cover 150 feet, divide 150 by 8.8 = 17 seconds
It would take Gloria 17 seconds to cover 150 feet moving at 6 mph (which is not considered running flat out, but a fast jog)
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Dear Danny Boy,
1) Why in the world would she "fast jog" towards the TSBD after seeing the head of the President of the United States head get blown off?
2) How long would it take her to run, flat-out, the 120 feet (40 yards) to the "island," where Shelley testified that she told him that JFK had been shot?
-- Tom
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