Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

 BUMP

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

                          BUMP For Steve Barber

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

   We are NOW being told that the destination of this motorcycle cop is the TSBD Houston St loading dock. Why would he walk over there vs riding his motorcycle over there and securing the TSBD dock much quicker? Answer?  This alleged motorcycle cop does Not have a motorcycle. He never did.

[Tommy Shanks]

This alleged motorcycle cop does Not have a motorcycle. He never did.

And you've never had a clue about the actual JFK film and photo evidence.

[Royell Storing]

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

                    - ANATOMY OF A CONSPIRACY -

                   (1) This man is NOT a Motorcycle Cop

                   (2) This man is NOT holding a glove in his (L) hand

                   (3) This man does NOT have a motorcycle

[Mitch Todd]

   The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people. You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.
   And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car. The later you put the Harkness 3 Wheel Motorcycle sitting on the Elm St Ext, the LATER you put Harkness & Officer Haygood being filmed together on the Darnell Film Snippet. Far, Far later than the 12:35 Haygood police radio transmission. And, the alleged Officer Haygood was filmed with Roger Craig and Buddy Walthers walking along that entire stretch of train cars before they reach the Officer Harkness check point. How late are you NOW putting Roger Craig and Walthers back inside the train yard? And Walthers was photo'd at 12:39 on Elm St looking around the manhole cover on the (S) side of Elm St. How are you putting Walthers inside the train yard that late, and then having him photo'd at the manhole cover at 12:39? You got seriously conflicting timeline issues. Big time!

RS: The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people.

Again, In the Darnell film you can see a white car parked on the north side of the Elm Street Extension. That wouldn't happen if the street were "jammed with people" Also, you can see people standing on the sidewalk running along the front of the TSBD. That also wouldn't be possible if the street was full of a crowd.  Speaking of which:

RS: You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.

These are the aforementioned people standing on the sidewalk between the TSDB and the north side of Elm. They aren't in the street, ipso facto.

When Martin is filming Harkness driving by with Euins, he's to the east of the area in Darnell where the crowd appears. Because he's filming in an eastward direction, you won't see the Darnell crowd that is standing between the dirt road, the first RR yard spur, and the pergola.

RS: And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car.

As I've already pointed out, this is much later than the Darnell and Martin film segments in question here. No question after 12:45, and probably more like 1PM, when the DPD shoos the crowd away from in front of the TSBD and actually ropes off the area around the building. That is more than enough time for Harkness to put Euins in Sawyers car, drive to the north side of the TSBD, and return to the front after he was "relieved" by arriving officers.


RS: the Officer Harkness check point.

In the Darnell film, you first see Harkness looking west, then walking back towards his three-wheeler parked near the end of the  cyclone fence. Not coincidentally, that's the area where Euins said that he ran into Harkness. Harkness explicitly testified that the area where he met Euins wasn't behind the depository. If that area wasn't behind the TSDB, then his earlier position to the west of his 3-wheeler was also not behind the depository.  The Darnell snippet is just before Euins tells Harkness about the rifleman in the window, and Harkness will soon after radio this information to the dispatcher at 12:36

[Royell Storing]

RS: The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people.

Again, In the Darnell film you can see a white car parked on the north side of the Elm Street Extension. That wouldn't happen if the street were "jammed with people" Also, you can see people standing on the sidewalk running along the front of the TSBD. That also wouldn't be possible if the street was full of a crowd.  Speaking of which:

RS: You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.

These are the aforementioned people standing on the sidewalk between the TSDB and the north side of Elm. They aren't in the street, ipso facto.

When Martin is filming Harkness driving by with Euins, he's to the east of the area in Darnell where the crowd appears. Because he's filming in an eastward direction, you won't see the Darnell crowd that is standing between the dirt road, the first RR yard spur, and the pergola.

RS: And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car.

As I've already pointed out, this is much later than the Darnell and Martin film segments in question here. No question after 12:45, and probably more like 1PM, when the DPD shoos the crowd away from in front of the TSBD and actually ropes off the area around the building. That is more than enough time for Harkness to put Euins in Sawyers car, drive to the north side of the TSBD, and return to the front after he was "relieved" by arriving officers.


RS: the Officer Harkness check point.

In the Darnell film, you first see Harkness looking west, then walking back towards his three-wheeler parked near the end of the  cyclone fence. Not coincidentally, that's the area where Euins said that he ran into Harkness. Harkness explicitly testified that the area where he met Euins wasn't behind the depository. If that area wasn't behind the TSDB, then his earlier position to the west of his 3-wheeler was also not behind the depository.  The Darnell snippet is just before Euins tells Harkness about the rifleman in the window, and Harkness will soon after radio this information to the dispatcher at 12:36

    So you are claiming the Darnell film snippet showing Haygood, Harkness, and Walthers together is happening BEFORE Euins was loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car? Harkness made a 12:36 radio call that he was bringing Euins  to the TSBD. And Harkness gave WC testimony that he helped load Euins into Sawyer's car. What are you claiming Harkness did with Euins, if you are claiming Euins was NOT Loaded into Sawyer's car until, "12:45, more like 1:00"?
    You can Not get around the documented radio transmissions.  Haygood - 12:35 from the Elm St curb.     Harkness - 12:36.  That alleged motorcycle cop in the Darnell Film is NOT HAYGOOD. It is physically impossible for Haygood to be in 2 places at once.

[Mitch Todd]

    So you are claiming the Darnell film snippet showing Haygood, Harkness, and Walthers together is happening BEFORE Euins was loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car? Harkness made a 12:36 radio call that he was bringing Euins  to the TSBD. And Harkness gave WC testimony that he helped load Euins into Sawyer's car. What are you claiming Harkness did with Euins, if you are claiming Euins was NOT Loaded into Sawyer's car until, "12:45, more like 1:00"?
    You can Not get around the documented radio transmissions.  Haygood - 12:35 from the Elm St curb.     Harkness - 12:36.  That alleged motorcycle cop in the Darnell Film is NOT HAYGOOD. It is physically impossible for Haygood to be in 2 places at once.

RS: So you are claiming the Darnell film snippet showing Haygood, Harkness, and Walthers together is happening BEFORE Euins was loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car

Exactly


What are you claiming Harkness did with Euins, if you are claiming Euins was NOT Loaded into Sawyer's car until, "12:45, more like 1:00"?

I'm not claiming that. That is simply your projection. I'm saying that the Nat Geo footage you like to point to is so much later than Harkness showing up with Euins that no proper conclusion can be drawn from the Nat Geo footage.

 
RS: You can Not get around the documented radio transmissions.  Haygood - 12:35 from the Elm St curb. Harkness - 12:36.  That alleged motorcycle cop in the Darnell Film is NOT HAYGOOD. It is physically impossible for Haygood to be in 2 places at once.

Your conclusion does not follow the evidence. Nor does anything I said require Haygood be "two places at once." That's just an assumption you've made to support an unevidenced position.