Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?

[Mitch Todd]

   The "longer" you take to place Euins inside Inspector Sawyer's car, means it is even later when Harkness then goes to secure the Back of the TSBD. This is when the Darnell Film shows both Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood together inside the railroad yard. AND, this Darnell film footage of Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness together has to happen BEFORE 12:35 when Officer Haygood makes his documented police radio call from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb close to the Triple Underpass. You're stuck. The Tick/Tock of all of this ties together and simply does Not work. These dominoes are falling into each other.

Harkness explicitly testified that his position near the end of the Elm Street extension was not behind the TSBD

Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do
Mr. HARKNESS - I went west on Main to observe the area between the railroad tracks and Industrial.
Mr. BELIN - Why did you go down there?
Mr. HARKNESS - By the way the people, when I went into this area, everybody was hitting the ground, and someone led us to indicate that the shots were coming into the cars.
Mr. BELIN - You mean from some point in front of the cars?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know who that someone was?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did that person do that indicated that?
Mr. HARKNESS - I don't remember.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you
Mr. HARKNESS - I went down to Industrial to see if I could see anyone fleeing that area.
Mr. BELIN - What did you see?
Mr. HARKNESS - I didn't see anyone, so I come back to the front of the Book Depository and went around to this fence that was across the street from Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN - What do you mean across the street from Elm Street?
Mr. HARKNESS - Again, I will have to--near the railroad track.
Mr. BELIN - Behind the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir; this area right here. See, Elm Street goes down.
Mr. BELIN - What you are really saying---
Mr. HARKNESS - This area.
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing to a place between what would be the extension of Elm that doesn't go down into the parkway but the actual extension of Elm?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; to the plaza area.
Mr. BELIN - The plaza area?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did you find there?
Mr. HARKNESS - I found a little colored boy, Amos Euins, who told me he saw the shots come from that building.


The rear of the TSBD is where the the truck loading dock on the North side of the building is. That is, the rear of the TSBD is opposite side of the front, where one would expect the rear to be.

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Harkness explicitly testified that his position near the end of the Elm Street extension was not behind the TSBD

Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do
Mr. HARKNESS - I went west on Main to observe the area between the railroad tracks and Industrial.
Mr. BELIN - Why did you go down there?
Mr. HARKNESS - By the way the people, when I went into this area, everybody was hitting the ground, and someone led us to indicate that the shots were coming into the cars.
Mr. BELIN - You mean from some point in front of the cars?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know who that someone was?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did that person do that indicated that?
Mr. HARKNESS - I don't remember.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you
Mr. HARKNESS - I went down to Industrial to see if I could see anyone fleeing that area.
Mr. BELIN - What did you see?
Mr. HARKNESS - I didn't see anyone, so I come back to the front of the Book Depository and went around to this fence that was across the street from Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN - What do you mean across the street from Elm Street?
Mr. HARKNESS - Again, I will have to--near the railroad track.
Mr. BELIN - Behind the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - No, sir; this area right here. See, Elm Street goes down.
Mr. BELIN - What you are really saying---
Mr. HARKNESS - This area.
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing to a place between what would be the extension of Elm that doesn't go down into the parkway but the actual extension of Elm?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; to the plaza area.
Mr. BELIN - The plaza area?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did you find there?
Mr. HARKNESS - I found a little colored boy, Amos Euins, who told me he saw the shots come from that building.


The rear of the TSBD is where the the truck loading dock on the North side of the building is. That is, the rear of the TSBD is opposite side of the front, where one would expect the rear to be.

     You are another that is short on detailed foundational knowledge. You need to bone up on Euins WC Testimony and the structures which stretch down the Elm St. Extension. In Euins WC Testimony, he indicated on a map where he 1st came into contact with Officer Harkness. This point of contact was where the buildings running down the Elm St Extension end and a FENCE then begins. Inside this FENCE is ANOTHER LOADING DOCK. This additional dock also connects to the TSBD. If you continued walking directly out into the railroad yard from the end of this chain link fence, you would come to the Check Point that Harkness set up out there in order to secure the back of the TSBD. This would be where we see Harkness and the "No Glove Cop" within feet of each other on the Darnell Film.  Belin asked Harkness - "BEHIND the builiding?" And Harkness replied, "NO sir, this area right here".
     I don't mind helping you out, but please do your necessary JFK Assassination research beforehand. Thanks 

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There's CBS footage of Amos Euins being loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD

I have never seen this footage. I don't believe such footage exists.
I believe you are referring to footage of Brennan being loaded into Sawyer's car.
If I am mistaken, please point me towards this footage.

Officer Harkness made a documented 12:36 PM police radio call that he was bringing an eyewitness, (Euins), to the TSBD.

Harkness makes two documented transmissions at 12:36PM

"I have a witness that says that it came from the 5th floor of the Texas Book Depository Store."

"Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository Store and Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."

Neither of these transmissions states that Harkness was "bringing an eyewitness, (Euins), to the TSBD."


I believe you are wrong about the Euin's footage and the Harkness transmission. To my mind this negates your assertion that Mooney entered the TSBD at 12:38PM.
The Allen picture below shows the gates wide open and the time as 12:40PM.
Mooney had not yet entered the TSBD at 12:40PM

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                                            Why not just nicely ask me for the source that shows Euins being loaded into Sawyer's car?
 
 (1) Go to "YOU TUBE".  (2) SEARCH - "Amos Euins?"  by- NoTrueFlags Here  (3) 7:21 -7:30 shows Euins being loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car and the Huge Gates being closed/ajar.

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[Mitch Todd]

     You are another that is short on detailed foundational knowledge. You need to bone up on Euins WC Testimony and the structures which stretch down the Elm St. Extension. In Euins WC Testimony, he indicated on a map where he 1st came into contact with Officer Harkness. This point of contact was where the buildings running down the Elm St Extension end and a FENCE then begins. Inside this FENCE is ANOTHER LOADING DOCK. This additional dock also connects to the TSBD. If you continued walking directly out into the railroad yard from the end of this chain link fence, you would come to the Check Point that Harkness set up out there in order to secure the back of the TSBD. This would be where we see Harkness and the "No Glove Cop" within feet of each other on the Darnell Film.  Belin asked Harkness - "BEHIND the builiding?" And Harkness replied, "NO sir, this area right here".
     I don't mind helping you out, but please do your necessary JFK Assassination research beforehand. Thanks

I'm assuming that by "FENCE" you're talking about the v-shaped chain link fence between the first RR yard spur and the TSBD parking are west of the annex covered parking. He could also be referring to the GK picket fence; he doesn't specify. I'm going to bend cardinal directions a bit so they match the main downtown Dallas street grid. The chain link fence meets the Elm St extension west of the TSBD and well clear of any part of the Depository.

In the Darnell film, it is easily apparent that Darnell's position is in line with the south curb of the Elm St extension, and that Harkness is about 25-30' north of Darnell's position. Which would put Harkness more or less in line with the north side of the Elm St extension. In turn, this puts him directly west any position he would have taken next to the fence. And not by that far. So, if Harkness is not behind the TSBD when he's on the ESX near the fence, he's also not behind the TSBD when he's at his position in the Darnell film.

That being said, it's worth repeating that "behind" is the opposite of 'in front of." In front of the TSBD is to the south of it. That would put "behind" to the north of the building. The Darnell film shows Harkness to the west of the SW corner of the building. Anyone with the sense of a mule can figure this out.