There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.

[Dan O'meara]

   What you are describing with respect to the JFK Limo/Thornton Sign would also line up with the Willis Girl slowing up/stopping her run.

No. it doesn't.

[Lance Payette]

Tyler and you are full of highly pungent beans.

Secret Service Agent George Hickey has started leaning over and looking down at the pavement by Z-148, someone on the passengers' side of the Secret Service follow-up car (Kenny O'Donnell or Secret Service Agent Glenn Bennett) has started leaning over to his right by Z-148 to see if JFK's okay, and Roy Kellerman, riding shotgun in the limo, has begun leaning over and looking down and/or behind himself by Z-148.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

I must agree with Dan - no, please, not THAT!!! - that you must be psychic if you can discern all that. I don't even SEE it. (Again I link for the benefit of others this handy frame-by-frame table of Z frames: https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/.) Moreover, doesn't it stand to reason that, having just made the turn onto Elm, they WOULD be looking around? Kellerman told the WC he first heard "a report like a firecracker pop" when they had just passed the sign and were "out in the open." Hickey said the limo had "started down an incline toward the overpass" when a sound caught his attention: "I stood up and looked to my right and rear in an attempt to identify it. Nothing caught my attention except people shouting and cheering." Bennett said he first heard a sound like a firecracker at the exact time a shot hit JFK in the back. Like Hickey, he said the limo had started down a grade and the crowd was "very sparse." O'Donnell sajd they had "turned on the grass plot" and there were "four or five people there." Whatever this adds up to, it doesn't sound like a pre-Z148 shot.

[Benjamin Cole]

My guess is Adams dramatized her testimony, in talking with Mark Lane and others.

The LHO-Baker-Truly lunchroom encounter occurred as depicted, maybe 90 seconds after the JFKA. Sandra Styles has indicated she and Adams lingered at the windows after the JFKA.

My best guess is LHO fired three shots in the direction of the JFK limo. In earnest or deliberate misses as part of a false flag op, I don't know. There were three wild misses of the JFK limo that day in DP by many witness accounts, although only three or four loud gunshots were heard. Three loud gunshots were heard inside the TSBD.

So who fired at the limo, but missed so badly they struck a manhole cover off of Elm, a curb by Tague and behind the limo on Elm St?

I don't know.

[Tom Graves]

So, who fired at the limo, but missed so badly they struck a manhole cover off of Elm, a curb by Tague and behind the limo on Elm St?

The curb near Tague may have been struck by a bullet fragment from the fatal head shot; the strike "behind the limo on Elm Street" may have been Oswald's missing-everything shot at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming (after a 17-second pause) at Z-133.

Just curious: Has "the manhole cover strike" been proved?

[Jarrett Smith]

Remember that some of these SS guys were hung over. They coulda been trying to blow breakfast.

Sad that only Governor Connally heard the first shot around Z-160 and reacted by looking towards the right until being hit at Z-225. Those SS clowns still didn't react.

[Royell Storing]

Tyler makes the same point about the SS agents:

"In the Zapruder film we see no sudden reactions from the Secret Service agents at all from Z133-Z195 which leads me to believe that there were no shots at all until after Z180.  Several people standing at the lamppost by the Thornton freeway sign specifically said that the limo had either passed them or was in front of them at the first shot, which again is after Z180, thus eliminating any possibility of an early shot before that point.  Hugh Betzner took a photo at exactly Z186 and said the first shot was fired as he wound his film on, thus ruling out an earlier shot."

This is also the same point outlined in the OP of "The First Shot" thread which debunks, beyond any reasonable doubt, the notion of an early missed shot.

    Bump with respect to the Willis Girl slowing down/stopping. Just draw a line straight across Elm St from the light pole near the RL Thornton sign. There she is.

[Tom Graves]

Bump with respect to the Willis girl slowing down/stopping. Just draw a line straight across Elm St from the light pole near the RL Thornton sign. There she is.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Point being?

Did Rosemary think the early shot she'd heard had come from the light pole near the Thornton sign?

Why has she turned her head so far to her right in Z-162?

Note how Secret Service Agent George Hickey is leaning over and looking at the pavement in Z-162, as well.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z162.jpg

-- Tom