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There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on September 04, 2025, 11:29:35 PM ---Voila! Thanks to the occult powers of my JFK Autograph Model Ouija Board, I have discovered that Mark Tyler is (or was) a member of the forum and participated quite genially on the thread by Marjan Rynkiewicz to the effect that the first shot was at Z105 or Z113, to wit:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2862.0.html
I didn't read it all, I'll admit, because my eyes glaze over and the propellor on my beanie needs new batteries, but if Mark Tyler has "a lot of darn gall" it appears to be pretty well-thought-out gall. Maybe he's a KGB plant, ya think?
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Pardon my French.
Royell Storing:
There's No Evidence of an alleged "early" shot. Some of you are basically playing your own game of "Charades" as you apply your own personal interpretation of the actions of people viewing the JFK Motorcade. That is Not Evidence. But let's say there was an early shot at Z113. With the Kill Shot being at Z313, you are talking about the JFK Limo being under steady fire for 11+ seconds. Yet, ALL of those SS Agents did absolutely nothing over that 11+ seconds time period to stop the assassin(s)? Seriously? If you're gonna claim an early shot, you are then proving a Conspiracy based on the inaction of the entire SS while under consistent fire for 11+ seconds.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 05, 2025, 12:50:54 AM --- There's No Evidence of an alleged "early" shot. Some of you are basically playing your own game of "Charades" as you apply your own personal interpretation of the actions of people viewing the JFK Motorcade. That is Not Evidence. But let's say there was an early shot at Z113. With the Kill Shot being at Z313, you are talking about the JFK Limo being under steady fire for 11+ seconds. Yet, ALL of those SS Agents did absolutely nothing over that 11+ seconds time period to stop the assassin(s)? Seriously? If you're gonna claim an early shot, you are then proving a Conspiracy based on the inaction of the entire SS while under consistent fire for 11+ seconds.
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Tyler makes the same point about the SS agents:
"In the Zapruder film we see no sudden reactions from the Secret Service agents at all from Z133-Z195 which leads me to believe that there were no shots at all until after Z180. Several people standing at the lamppost by the Thornton freeway sign specifically said that the limo had either passed them or was in front of them at the first shot, which again is after Z180, thus eliminating any possibility of an early shot before that point. Hugh Betzner took a photo at exactly Z186 and said the first shot was fired as he wound his film on, thus ruling out an earlier shot."
This is also the same point outlined in the OP of "The First Shot" thread which debunks, beyond any reasonable doubt, the notion of an early missed shot.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 05, 2025, 12:54:40 AM ---Tyler makes the same point about the SS agents:
"In the Zapruder film we see no sudden reactions from the Secret Service agents at all from Z133-Z195 which leads me to believe that there were no shots at all until after Z180. Several people standing at the lamppost by the Thornton freeway sign specifically said that the limo had either passed them or was in front of them at the first shot, which again is after Z180, thus eliminating any possibility of an early shot before that point. Hugh Betzner took a photo at exactly Z186 and said the first shot was fired as he wound his film on, thus ruling out an earlier shot."
This is also the same point outlined in the OP of "The First Shot" thread which debunks, beyond any reasonable doubt, the notion of an early missed shot.
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What you are describing with respect to the JFK Limo/Thornton Sign would also line up with the Willis Girl slowing up/stopping her run.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 05, 2025, 12:54:40 AM ---Mark Tyler sez: "In the Zapruder film we see no sudden reactions from the Secret Service agents at all from Z133-Z195 which leads me to believe that there were no shots at all until after Z180.
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Tyler and you are full of highly pungent beans.
Secret Service Agent George Hickey has started leaning over and looking down at the pavement by Z-148, someone on the passengers' side of the Secret Service follow-up car (Kenny O'Donnell or Secret Service Agent Glenn Bennett) has started leaning over to his right by Z-148 to see if JFK's okay, and Roy Kellerman, riding shotgun in the limo, has begun leaning over and looking down and/or behind himself by Z-148.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
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