Good Presentation by Doug Horne on Limo Stop and Zapruder Film Alteration

[Michael T. Griffith]

In this video, Doug Horne discusses some of the accounts of a limo stop/marked slowdown, which is nowhere to be seen in the Zapruder film before JFK's head explodes. He also discusses accounts of other events that are not seen in the Zapruder film. The video is only five minutes long. Horne's presentation starts at 00:26 in the video.

[Royell Storing]

  The WC Testimony of ASAIC Kellerman also points to the Zapruder Film being altered. Kellerman describes the JFK Limo acceleration following the Kill Shot as, "...we just literally jumped out of the Goddamn road". Where on the Zapruder Film do we see the JFK Limo accelerating at anything close to the ASAIC Kellerman description? We do Not. 

[Lance Payette]

Yep, it's official and I just need to admit it: I am simply too rational for the JFKA Follies.

1. It is pure happenstance that four other citizens and two TV stations didn't photograph the relevant part of the motorcade. What were the Three Stooges going to do - confiscate and alter any and all films? "Sounds like a plan, Curly!" say Larry and Moe.

2. Before any shots were fired, the motorcycle officers said the limo was moving so slowly they had difficulty keeping their cycles upright. Having ridden bikes since I was 16, including fully-dressed touring bikes, I can say you have to be moving extremely slowly before you have to start worrying about staying upright.

3. If the limo in fact slowed down, even to a near stop, SO WHAT? This would be an entirely natural initial reaction to what was occurring. Why would there be any need at all to cover this up, even to the extent of altering the Z film and all the risks that would entail? "Sounds like a plan, Moe!" say Curly and Larry.

4. The limo stopped "for a minute." I happened to be reading just last night an exceedingly scholarly work of theology by Dale C. Allison in which he addresses the use of phrases such as this in the Bible. When we say "wait a minure," or "hold on a minute," or "just a minute," do we EVER mean 60 seconds? No, it's just an idiom that isn't referring to the passage of time at all. Except in Conspiracy World, where this offhand remark means "Oh, my God, the limo stopped for a full minute!!!"

Doug Horne is nuts. Vince Palamara is nuts. That's the reality. With apologies to Larry Hancock (not nuts) for borrowing the phrase, I'm convinced there is a "Tipping Point" at which otherwise intelligent CTers go off the cliff into some Conspiracy La-La Land where they are now prepared to uncritically accept ANYTHING.

[Steve Barber]

Yep, it's official and I just need to admit it: I am simply too rational for the JFKA Follies.

1. It is pure happenstance that four other citizens and two TV stations didn't photograph the relevant part of the motorcade. What were the Three Stooges going to do - confiscate and alter any and all films? "Sounds like a plan, Curly!" say Larry and Moe.

2. Before any shots were fired, the motorcycle officers said the limo was moving so slowly they had difficulty keeping their cycles upright. Having ridden bikes since I was 16, including fully-dressed touring bikes, I can say you have to be moving extremely slowly before you have to start worrying about staying upright.

3. If the limo in fact slowed down, even to a near stop, SO WHAT? This would be an entirely natural initial reaction to what was occurring. Why would there be any need at all to cover this up, even to the extent of altering the Z film and all the risks that would entail? "Sounds like a plan, Moe!" say Curly and Larry.

4. The limo stopped "for a minute." I happened to be reading just last night an exceedingly scholarly work of theology by Dale C. Allison in which he addresses the use of phrases such as this in the Bible. When we say "wait a minure," or "hold on a minute," or "just a minute," do we EVER mean 60 seconds? No, it's just an idiom that isn't referring to the passage of time at all. Except in Conspiracy World, where this offhand remark means "Oh, my God, the limo stopped for a full minute!!!"

Doug Horne is nuts. Vince Palamara is nuts. That's the reality. With apologies to Larry Hancock (not nuts) for borrowing the phrase, I'm convinced there is a "Tipping Point" at which otherwise intelligent CTers go off the cliff into some Conspiracy La-La Land where they are now prepared to uncritically accept ANYTHING.

   

[Royell Storing]

  As technology advances and these JFK Assassination Images become clearer, the LN stuff is becoming laughable. This is why they now are declaring a missed shot during the alleged gap in Zapruder's filming. This is like laying the blame for a murder on a dead man. I also believe that there are currently higher generation copies of assassination images being made available for John Q. Public to eyeball. Such as NBC releasing the opening seconds of their Original Darnell Film. There is New JFK Assassination Evidence being made public. And this also goes for Doug Horne finding photos of the Navy Ambulance + the Pick Up truck parked in front of the Bethesda Morgue Dock. There are JFK Assassination related images which have been withheld or buried for 61+ years.   

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Yep, it's official and I just need to admit it: I am simply too rational for the JFKA Follies.

1. It is pure happenstance that four other citizens and two TV stations didn't photograph the relevant part of the motorcade. What were the Three Stooges going to do - confiscate and alter any and all films? "Sounds like a plan, Curly!" say Larry and Moe.

2. Before any shots were fired, the motorcycle officers said the limo was moving so slowly they had difficulty keeping their cycles upright. Having ridden bikes since I was 16, including fully-dressed touring bikes, I can say you have to be moving extremely slowly before you have to start worrying about staying upright.

3. If the limo in fact slowed down, even to a near stop, SO WHAT? This would be an entirely natural initial reaction to what was occurring. Why would there be any need at all to cover this up, even to the extent of altering the Z film and all the risks that would entail? "Sounds like a plan, Moe!" say Curly and Larry.

4. The limo stopped "for a minute." I happened to be reading just last night an exceedingly scholarly work of theology by Dale C. Allison in which he addresses the use of phrases such as this in the Bible. When we say "wait a minure," or "hold on a minute," or "just a minute," do we EVER mean 60 seconds? No, it's just an idiom that isn't referring to the passage of time at all. Except in Conspiracy World, where this offhand remark means "Oh, my God, the limo stopped for a full minute!!!"

Doug Horne is nuts. Vince Palamara is nuts. That's the reality. With apologies to Larry Hancock (not nuts) for borrowing the phrase, I'm convinced there is a "Tipping Point" at which otherwise intelligent CTers go off the cliff into some Conspiracy La-La Land where they are now prepared to uncritically accept ANYTHING.

Here's Larry Hancock today: "[C]ertainly I consider both Oswald and Sirhan patsies, no doubt about that."

"No doubt about that". I would suggest you might want to evaluate your view that he hasn't crossed the tipping point. He thinks it's possible that Angleton was behind RFK's assassination too. So, he believes there's more evidence that Angleton was involved than Sirhan was? Some for Angleton and none for Sirhan?

Make that two tipping points?

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[Mitch Todd]

  The WC Testimony of ASAIC Kellerman also points to the Zapruder Film being altered. Kellerman describes the JFK Limo acceleration following the Kill Shot as, "...we just literally jumped out of the Goddamn road". Where on the Zapruder Film do we see the JFK Limo accelerating at anything close to the ASAIC Kellerman description? We do Not.

The Presidential limo weighed about 8000 lbs. It's engine was rated at 320hp gross, about 275hp net before drivetrain losses. That might be a lot for a Falcon, but not for something as heavy as the limo at over twice the weight. That car wasn't going to jump anywhere.