The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT

[Michael T. Griffith]

Two entrance wounds and no exit wounds. Seems like quite a problem given the xray results produced not a single bullet was present.

One, bullets frequently do not produce exit wounds but lodge somewhere in the body or break up in the body without exiting. Two, the Parkland doctors had valid medical reasons for believing that the throat missile ranged downward into the chest. Three, we have several credible reports that an intact or nearly intact bullet was discovered during the autopsy but was never entered into evidence. Four, the autopsy x-rays are not only incomplete but are clearly not pristine. The ARRB established that many autopsy photos and x-rays are missing. 

Those ice bullets are everywhere in your stories. Do you have a patent on them?

Huh??? You must be thinking of someone else. I've never said a word about ice bullets.

Knotts Lab of course. They would know.

Right, and we both know that if the Knott Lab SBT analysis had confirmed the SBT, you guys would be hailing it as powerful evidence, that you would be pointing out that it is the most sophisticated SBT analysis ever done, and that you would be noting that Knott Lab has an excellent reputation and has worked on high-profile cases. But, uh-oh, as soon as you learned that the Knott Lab analysis refuted the SBT, you went into denial mode.

Is Barry Ernest the latest dufus clown expert wannebe?

Let me guess: You haven't read his book and are unaware of the new evidence he developed, right?

Except for all the deformities the bullet is pristine? What HSCA forensics expert stated that was like being a little pregnant. Right, it was Dr Baden

Dr. BADEN. Yes, sir. Absolutely, but with qualification . We on the medical panel have certain problems, as have other doctors in the past, in evaluating the injuries produced by the so-called "pristine 308 bullet", which is a media term that is inaccurate: it is like being a little bit pregnant-it is either pristine or it is not pristine. This is a damaged bullet and this is not a pristine bullet. This is a bullet that is deformed; it would be very difficult to take a hammer and flatten it to the degree that this is flattened. This is a partially deformed bullet with a heavy jacket. The problem is that although in New York City we see more than 1,000 gunshot wound deaths a year, in a civilian population it is most unusual to encounter military ammunition; and in military practice where people are killed by rifle bullets, autopsies, and follow-up correlations are not performed as in the civilian death situation. Very few people, if any, have had autopsy experience with the Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5 millimeter ammunition in a civilian population.

LOL! "Except for all the deformities"?! This is just surreal. Have you looked at photos of CE 399 lately? They're readily available. Let me repeat what anyone with two functioning eyes can see: CE 399 is only slightly deformed at his base. Its nose is undamaged (except for a tiny defect where the FBI removed a sample for testing). Its lands and grooves are intact. It is missing no more than 4 grains of its substance.

And allow me to repeat that in the WC's SBT test, FMJ bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged with the same deformity or more deformity than CE 399. See CE 572. Also in the WC's SBT test, an FMJ bullet that was fired through a goat carcass and broke one rib emerged with more deformity than CE 399, even though the goat rib was smaller than Connally's fifth rib. That bullet is shown in CE 853.

Finally, I again note the cold hard fact that no SBT wound ballistics test has duplicated the SBT, either because the test failed to simulate key parts of CE 399's alleged journey or because the bullets emerged with more deformity than CE 399.

[Jack Nessan]

One, bullets frequently do not produce exit wounds but lodge somewhere in the body or break up in the body without exiting. Two, the Parkland doctors had valid medical reasons for believing that the throat missile ranged downward into the chest. Three, we have several credible reports that an intact or nearly intact bullet was discovered during the autopsy but was never entered into evidence. Four, the autopsy x-rays are not only incomplete but are clearly not pristine. The ARRB established that many autopsy photos and x-rays are missing. 

Huh??? You must be thinking of someone else. I've never said a word about ice bullets.

Right, and we both know that if the Knott Lab SBT analysis had confirmed the SBT, you guys would be hailing it as powerful evidence, that you would be pointing out that it is the most sophisticated SBT analysis ever done, and that you would be noting that Knott Lab has an excellent reputation and has worked on high-profile cases. But, uh-oh, as soon as you learned that the Knott Lab analysis refuted the SBT, you went into denial mode.

Let me guess: You haven't read his book and are unaware of the new evidence he developed, right?

LOL! "Except for all the deformities"?! This is just surreal. Have you looked at photos of CE 399 lately? They're readily available. Let me repeat what anyone with two functioning eyes can see: CE 399 is only slightly deformed at his base. Its nose is undamaged (except for a tiny defect where the FBI removed a sample for testing). Its lands and grooves are intact. It is missing no more than 4 grains of its substance.

And allow me to repeat that in the WC's SBT test, FMJ bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged with the same deformity or more deformity than CE 399. See CE 572. Also in the WC's SBT test, an FMJ bullet that was fired through a goat carcass and broke one rib emerged with more deformity than CE 399, even though the goat rib was smaller than Connally's fifth rib. That bullet is shown in CE 853.

Finally, I again note the cold hard fact that no SBT wound ballistics test has duplicated the SBT, either because the test failed to simulate key parts of CE 399's alleged journey or because the bullets emerged with more deformity than CE 399.

One, bullets frequently do not produce exit wounds but lodge somewhere in the body or break up in the body without exiting. Two, the Parkland doctors had valid medical reasons for believing that the throat missile ranged downward into the chest. Three, we have several credible reports that an intact or nearly intact bullet was discovered during the autopsy but was never entered into evidence. Four, the autopsy x-rays are not only incomplete but are clearly not pristine. The ARRB established that many autopsy photos and x-rays are missing

Jacketed bullets do.
Well that was interesting. Slightly disturbing from an informational standpoint that someone actually thinks like that, but interesting how far someone will go to deny reality. Where you are at what is the color of the sky?

Huh??? You must be thinking of someone else. I've never said a word about ice bullets.
 
Are you sure? Then where did the bullets go on all of your various theories? Let us not forget the front and back headshot had equally bizarre scenarios to them.

Right, and we both know that if the Knott Lab SBT analysis had confirmed the SBT, you guys would be hailing it as powerful evidence, that you would be pointing out that it is the most sophisticated SBT analysis ever done, and that you would be noting that Knott Lab has an excellent reputation and has worked on high-profile cases. But, uh-oh, as soon as you learned that the Knott Lab analysis refuted the SBT, you went into denial mode.
 

Knotts Lab did prove it you watch the video. It lined up perfectly at one point, but Knotts Lab did not do anything positive because their goal was to deceive not inform. 

Let me guess: You haven't read his book and are unaware of the new evidence he developed, right?

Wasn’t Ernest Barney Fife to Walt Cakebread’s Sheriff Taylor here for awhile? Right up until it got so stupid even he could not do it anymore.

LOL! "Except for all the deformities"?! This is just surreal. Have you looked at photos of CE 399 lately? They're readily available. Let me repeat what anyone with two functioning eyes can see: CE 399 is only slightly deformed at his base. Its nose is undamaged (except for a tiny defect where the FBI removed a sample for testing). Its lands and grooves are intact. It is missing no more than 4 grains of its substance.
 
And allow me to repeat that in the WC's SBT test, FMJ bullets that were merely fired into cotton wadding emerged with the same deformity or more deformity than CE 399. See CE 572. Also in the WC's SBT test, an FMJ bullet that was fired through a goat carcass and broke one rib emerged with more deformity than CE 399, even though the goat rib was smaller than Connally's fifth rib. That bullet is shown in CE 853.

Yes deformities. Did the cotton wadding stop the bullet or slow and catch the bullet?  That had to be interesting given the bullet went through 3 inches or more of pine. 

Goats now. Did they figure out how to fire the bullet into the goat so the bullet flipped sideways? If not, you have nothing to talk about do you?

Everyone understands the concept of jacketed bullets. Insinuating they just disappear is ridiculous.