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Online Jarrett Smith

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2025, 06:30:28 AM »
I really think some of these seemingly piddly details offer the biggest clues.

On the morning of 11-22, Oswald heads off on what promises to be rather a busy day with potentially lots of unexpected twists and turns. He starts off with a mere $15 in his wallet, leaving $170 behind. He leaves the scene of the crime with no more plan than walking out the door, hopping a bus, exiting the bus and hailing a taxi. He has to go to his rooming house to get his revolver, which he easily could have brought to the TSBD when he went to work on 11-21. His next move is to stroll down 10th Street a couple of miles from the TSBD.

This all seems to me virtually impossible to square with an assassination conspiracy. Not even minimal preplanning or any post-assassination plan. Nothing suggesting accomplices. It pretty much screams "last-minute decision with no real expectation of exiting the TSBD." I believe any post-assassination "plan," to use the term loosely, was probably formulated in Whaley's cab or still being hashed out in his mind as he walked along 10th Street.

I think he went for the revolver because something happened that scared him. Maybe his getaway never showed, but he did grab the pistol and shot Tippit.

Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2025, 07:36:58 AM »
These are the kind of weird little details that drive me nuts ...

Bill Brown posted at the Ed Forum today a nice analysis of the possibility that Oswald was planning to catch a bus to Laredo (and then on to Mexico) after the JFKA: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31665-david-belin-papers-dallas-city-greyhound-bus-routes-dallas-to-mexico/.

I quote: "Oswald had $13.87 on him when he was arrested.  One could get from Dallas to Laredo for $12.80." He thus had enough for the ticket, a Coke and a bag of Fritos, but not much more.

He gave McWatters 23 cents for bus fare and Whaley $1 for the taxi ride, so that brings him up to $15.10 when he left the TSBD, assuming he didn't get additional funds during his pit stop at the rooming house.

But wait, he left at least $170 for Marina when he left the Paine house that morning. (Many sources say $187. Some say he left it in a wallet on the dresser, others - including Marina - that it was in a wallet used for savings purposes in a dresser drawer. The WR says $170 in a wallet in the dresser drawer, so we'll go with that.)

He didn't leave her $100 and take a more plausible $85.10 for himself or even $150 for her and a more reasonable $35.10 for himself.

What does this tell us, if anything?

If the wallet was used for savings purposes and in a drawer, did Oswald simply forget about it? It's just a red herring? He did tell Marina to buy shoes for Junie and whatever else was needed, so it would seem he didn't simply forget about it.

If the JFKA was basically a suicide mission and he expected to be killed or arrested, why did he need $15.10 at all? (Marina suggested he had $15 when he left, so this meshes nicely with what he actually had. Perhaps he had another nickel or dime and did buy a Coke in the TSBD.)

If he thought he'd be taken care of by accomplices, why did he need $15.10? Was he going to be taken care of after he reached Laredo and knew $15.10 would just cover the cost of the getting to the rooming house and on to Laredo? Would he really cut things that close, leaving himself only a $1.07 margin of error by the time he left the rooming house?

Was the JFKA just such a slapdash, unplanned project that he just happened to have $15.10 when he left the Paine house that morning, he gave no thought to anything but shooting JFK, and that's just all there is to it? He had no plan at all when he encountered Tippit?

I lean toward the latter - he was astounded to walk out of the TSBD, just happened to have $15.10 on him, and had no plan at all as he walked along Tenth Street. If there were anything resembling a plan in advance of the JFKA, I have to believe he'd have taken more than $15.10 when he left the Paine house. After he left the rooming house, I suppose it's possible he may have wondered "How far from here can I get on $13.87?" if you want to call that a plan.


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He gave McWatters 23 cents for bus fare and Whaley $1 for the taxi ride, so that brings him up to $15.10 when he left the TSBD, assuming he didn't get additional funds during his pit stop at the rooming house.

For what it's worth, Cortlandt Cunningham testified that the rifle could be assembled using a dime.

While I'm sure there were plenty of screwdrivers lying around the Depository building, perhaps Oswald, when he left the Paine house that morning, had $15 in cash plus a dime for the rifle assembly?  Just a thought.


Offline Lance Payette

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2025, 12:52:30 PM »

For what it's worth, Cortlandt Cunningham testified that the rifle could be assembled using a dime.

While I'm sure there were plenty of screwdrivers lying around the Depository building, perhaps Oswald, when he left the Paine house that morning, had $15 in cash plus a dime for the rifle assembly?  Just a thought.
Excellent! That dime was nagging at me.

Online Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2025, 04:25:43 PM »
Excellent! That dime was nagging at me.
According to the evidence he had three dimes on him. Yes, breaking news. Morley makes people pay for material like this; I offer it for free.

I always found that ID bracelet odd. It had his name "Lee" on it; but he used a AJ Hiddell alias? Great spycraft work there, Lee. In any case, Marina is quoted in "Marina and Lee" as saying he disliked the idea of men wearing jewelry but he wore it to hide the scar on the wrist left over from his attempted suicide (another example of, let's say, questionable spycraft work). He had worn a watch over it but when the watch broke he used the bracelet to hide it.

This is the type of minutiae that non-conspiracy hobbyists read and conclude "These people are nuts!". They are often right. More than often.

« Last Edit: August 06, 2025, 05:28:40 PM by Steve M. Galbraith »

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2025, 06:38:04 PM »
According to the evidence he had three dimes on him. Yes, breaking news. Morley makes people pay for material like this; I offer it for free.

I always found that ID bracelet odd. It had his name "Lee" on it; but he used a AJ Hiddell alias? Great spycraft work there, Lee. In any case, Marina is quoted in "Marina and Lee" as saying he disliked the idea of men wearing jewelry but he wore it to hide the scar on the wrist left over from his attempted suicide (another example of, let's say, questionable spycraft work). He had worn a watch over it but when the watch broke he used the bracelet to hide it.

This is the type of minutiae that non-conspiracy hobbyists read and conclude "These people are nuts!". They are often right. More than often.




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According to the evidence he had three dimes on him.

Three dimes on him AFTER his arrest, yes.  But we were talking about what he left the house with that morning, i.e. $15 in cash plus a dime.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2025, 06:45:12 PM »
According to the evidence he had three dimes on him. Yes, breaking news. Morley makes people pay for material like this; I offer it for free.
Of course he had three dimes when arrested. What was nagging at me was him leaving the Paine house with $15 and what shall henceforth be known as the Carcano Dime. He leaves the TSBD, gives McWatters $1 for the 23-cent bus fare, receives 77 cents in change (half-dollar, two dimes, one nickel and two pennies), gives Whaley $1 and thus ends up with $13 plus the half-dollar, three dimes, one nickel and two pennies.

He would not have needed the Carcano Dime if he'd been carrying curtain rods. Voila, case closed.

But wait, did he also buy a coke in the TSBD? Well, maybe he had two dimes. Or maybe he didn't actually buy a coke - the encounter with Mrs. Reid is troubling to me in several respects, as it is to Bart Kamp as well: http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/mrs-robert-reid/.[/quote]

Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2025, 07:28:11 PM »
Of course he had three dimes when arrested. What was nagging at me was him leaving the Paine house with $15 and what shall henceforth be known as the Carcano Dime. He leaves the TSBD, gives McWatters $1 for the 23-cent bus fare, receives 77 cents in change (half-dollar, two dimes, one nickel and two pennies), gives Whaley $1 and thus ends up with $13 plus the half-dollar, three dimes, one nickel and two pennies.

He would not have needed the Carcano Dime if he'd been carrying curtain rods. Voila, case closed.

But wait, did he also buy a coke in the TSBD? Well, maybe he had two dimes. Or maybe he didn't actually buy a coke - the encounter with Mrs. Reid is troubling to me in several respects, as it is to Bart Kamp as well: http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/mrs-robert-reid/.



LHO was apparently changing his appearance after each time being sighted. T-shirt in the sniper’s nest, brown shirt in the lunchroom, T-shirt in Mrs. Reid’s office area, brown shirt in the bus/cab, changed into a light colored jacket, etc in the rooming house room, ditched the jacket after leaving the Tippit murder scene. LHO was apparently trying to make it more difficult for anyone to track him (much like “The Fugitive” does in that TV show). Having the cab drop him off a bit past the rooming house was another similar tactic for trying to make it more difficult for anyone to track him.

BTW, I am guessing he tried to get rid of some evidence when he spent the actual Carcano dime on the Coke….  ;)