The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT

[Tom Graves]

Bumping this reply because Tom Graves ignored it and once again responded with his phony strawman questions about how many people were involved in the plot and cover-up.

Dear Comrade Griffith,

Do you deny that the Haags showed that that kind of bullet can penetrate 36 inches of pine wood without being deformed, and that it has a tendency to start yawing / tumbling upon exiting something soft -- like a bloc of ballistics gel or a human neck?

-- Tom

[Michael T. Griffith]

BTW, speaking of the Haags, there is good reason to doubt their truthfulness. Regarding Oswald's alleged shooting feat, Luke and Mike Haag claim that they duplicated it many times:

[Luke]"It’s a very clear picture. There was plenty of time to shoot all three shots from when the car turned the corner into Elm. We tried replicating it ourselves and could do so many times."

[Mike]"I've shot this drill these distances with a firearm that my dad acquired that is exactly the same as Oswald's rifle with ammunition of this type. These are not really tough shots."

Wow! That's amazing, considering that the WC's three Master-rated riflemen, using the alleged murder weapon itself, did not even come close to duplicating Oswald's supposed performance. In the 1967 CBS rifle test, not one of the 11 expert riflemen duplicated Oswald's alleged feat (a few of them did score two or three hits but only on their second or third attempts--Oswald would have had only one attempt--and they were all allowed to fire practice rounds before the test and did not have to fire through a half-open window in cramped conditions).

The Haags have also claimed that an FMJ bullet they fired into pine wood penetrated 3 feet into the wood and emerged undeformed. Pure hokum. No FMJ bullet tearing through 3 feet of pine is going to emerge with its lands and grooves intact. Here's a picture of an FMJ bullet that penetrated only a few inches into a piece of store-bought pine wood--notice that the bullet's lands and grooves are twisted and no longer run straight:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10009147442527916&set=pcb.24054241594265168

Again, that FMJ bullet only penetrated a matter of a few inches into pine wood, yet it emerged with its lands and grooves distorted. But, the Haags claim that their FMJ bullet penetrated 36 inches of pine wood and emerged undeformed. Bollocks. Hogwash.

More reading on the Haags' junk science:

https://kennedysandking.com/images/pdf/AguilarWechtAFTA2016.pdf

https://share.google/nZYCiaroTEpjo1c5h

Finally, regarding Tom Graves' silly question about the number of plotters, I have explained to him several times that when I say "20 or 30," I am talking about the head planners who initiated the plot and who knew all the components of the plot, and that there were dozens of other people involved but that many of them did not realize they were aiding the plot and many knew very little about the overall plot and its scope.

How many people who were involved with the planning and preparations for D-Day knew all the components of the plan and understood how the various units would execute the plan? And mind you, D-Day was no criminal conspiracy but a closely guarded military secret, and the D-Day operation involved the deployment of hundreds of thousands of troops, hundreds of Navy ships, and thousands of military aircraft. At the most, perhaps 100 of those who planned D-Day knew the entire scope and logistics of the operation.

Or, take the Iran-Contra conspiracy. There were maybe two or three dozen high-level plotters who knew the whole scheme and the big picture. Most of those who were involved in the plot either did not know they were aiding a plot or only understood one small aspect of the plot and did not realize how their aspect related to others.

[Tom Graves]

BTW, speaking of the Haags, there is good reason to doubt their truthfulness. Regarding Oswald's alleged shooting feat, Luke Haag claims that he and his brother duplicated it many times.

Wow! That's amazing, considering that the WC's three Master-rated riflemen, using the alleged murder weapon itself, did not even come close to duplicating Oswald's supposed performance. In the 1967 CBS rifle test, not one of the 11 expert riflemen duplicated Oswald's alleged feat (a few of them did score two or three hits but only on their second or third attempts--Oswald would have had only one attempt--and they were all allowed to fire practice rounds before the test and did not have to fire through a half-open window in cramped conditions).

Dear Comrade Griffith,

How many seconds did those experts have to fire all three shots?

Six?

Seven?

Gasp . . . eight?

Based on a scientific analysis of the timing of the conscious reactions of five people in the limo and two others near it to the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything shot half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming, Oswald took 10.2 seconds.

The Haags have also claimed that an FMJ bullet they fired into pine wood penetrated 3 feet into the wood and emerged undeformed.

They didn't claim that, Comrade Griffith.

They showed it.

Perhaps you missed it.

Or . . .  gasp . . . do you think the "Cold Case JFK" show was a hoax, and that the Haags are just two of the oodles and gobs of bad guys who are still trying to cover up the actions of the evil, evil CIA or [fill in the blank] on 11/22/63?

Do you think the evidence that Russia installed The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") as our "president" on 20 January 2017 is a hoax, too?

Finally, regarding Tom Graves' silly question about the number of plotters, I have explained to him several times that when I say "20 or 30," I am talking about the head planners who initiated the plot and who knew all the components of the plot, and that there were dozens of other people involved but that many of them did not realize they were aiding the plot and many knew very little about the overall plot and its scope.

So, a couple hundred, then?

Couple thousand?


-- Tom