Dan Rather's laughable account of what he thinks he saw in the Zapruder film

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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Yeah, they swear by images and then disregard eyewitness testimony that conflicts with those same images. Personally, I am always astounded at the Missing Images that nobody asks about. Where are there any image(s) of SA Lem Johns jumping out of the LBJ SS Car and then running down Elm St. toward the JFK Limo? Where are there any image(s) of DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis running across Elm St and then running up to "that wall", "little brick wall"? Those images are missing and nobody questions why we have this Gaping Black Hole. Interestingly, Officer Hargis's "little brick wall" is also where Gordon Arnold claimed he got kicked around by the "No Hat Cop". Images of Gordon Arnold are also nowhere to be found.

And here's another real kicker of a fact: AP journalist James Altgens, who took the famous Altgens photos, said that the head shot he witnessed knocked JFK forward, that he never saw the violent backward motion seen in the Zapruder film, and that he believed the backward motion was an "optical illusion," as I also discuss in "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film." I quote from my segment on Altgens' telling statements on the subject:

Newsman James Altgens, who was standing near Elm Street to photograph the
motorcade, told CBS in 1967 that when JFK was shot in the head, he was knocked
forward and was dislodged from the seat cushion. Said Altgens,

"And as they got close to me, and I was prepared to make the picture, I had my
camera almost at eye level; that’s when the president was shot in the head. And I
do know the president was still in an upright position, tilted, favoring Mrs.
Kennedy. And at the time that he was struck by this blow to the head, it was so
obvious that it came from behind. It had to come from behind because it caused
him to bolt forward, dislodging him from his impression in the seat cushion. . . .
(David Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds: A Final Synthesis – And a New Analysis of the
Harper Fragment
, Amazon Kindle, 2015, p. 125)

Altgens told JFK scholar and medical researcher Milicent Cranor that he did not see
JFK knocked backward, and that he believed that JFK’s violent backward motion in the
Zapruder film was an “optical illusion” (Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds, p. 125).

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And here's another real kicker of a fact: AP journalist James Altgens, who took the famous Altgens photos, said that the head shot he witnessed knocked JFK forward, that he never saw the violent backward motion seen in the Zapruder film, and that he believed the backward motion was an "optical illusion," as I also discuss in "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film." I quote from my segment on Altgens' telling statements on the subject:

Newsman James Altgens, who was standing near Elm Street to photograph the
motorcade, told CBS in 1967 that when JFK was shot in the head, he was knocked
forward and was dislodged from the seat cushion. Said Altgens,

"And as they got close to me, and I was prepared to make the picture, I had my
camera almost at eye level; that’s when the president was shot in the head. And I
do know the president was still in an upright position, tilted, favoring Mrs.
Kennedy. And at the time that he was struck by this blow to the head, it was so
obvious that it came from behind. It had to come from behind because it caused
him to bolt forward, dislodging him from his impression in the seat cushion. . . .
(David Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds: A Final Synthesis – And a New Analysis of the
Harper Fragment
, Amazon Kindle, 2015, p. 125)

Altgens told JFK scholar and medical researcher Milicent Cranor that he did not see
JFK knocked backward, and that he believed that JFK’s violent backward motion in the
Zapruder film was an “optical illusion” (Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds, p. 125).

Griffith,

Do you agree with Storing that the Zapruder film was heavily altered by the evil, evil bad guys?

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Griffith,

Do you agree with Storing that the Zapruder film was heavily altered by the evil, evil bad guys?

I take it you haven't bothered to read my article "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film," which I've mentioned several times now.

LINK: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOK_7uLe49zgXADGQxkIH1dmaEcpyaWd/view

FYI, former ARRB senior staffer Doug Horne has asked dozens of film industry experts, via Thom Whitehead and Sydney Wilkinson, to examine the Zapruder film, and the vast majority have concluded the film has been edited:

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Of approximately 75 film industry professionals who have viewed their high resolution digital scans of the Zapruder film since the year 2008, 72 of them have expressed the opinion that the film has been altered. (https://safe.menlosecurity.com/doc/docview/viewer/docNF6F0A5F62C8Dc20c23f9cbefbc02a95ed7616e383faef89c69202d5b0e0448d2de20492d995c)

Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?













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I take it you haven't bothered to read my article "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film," which I've mentioned several times now.

LINK: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOK_7uLe49zgXADGQxkIH1dmaEcpyaWd/view

FYI, former ARRB senior staffer Doug Horne has asked dozens of film industry experts, via Thom Whitehead and Sydney Wilkinson, to examine the Zapruder film, and the vast majority have concluded the film has been edited:

Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?

“Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?”
 

What nonsense, completely wrong. It is noticeable not only in the Zapruder film but Nix and Muchmore films. The car noticeably slowing down is the impetus for SA Hill to jump off of the SS car and run to JFK’s limo. Maybe it is time to write a new tripe filled article.

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“Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?”
 

What nonsense, completely wrong. It is noticeable not only in the Zapruder film but Nix and Muchmore films. The car noticeably slowing down is the impetus for SA Hill to jump off of the SS car and run to JFK’s limo. Maybe it is time to write a new tripe filled article.

You can't be serious. First off, there is no "noticeable" stop or slowdown in the Zapruder film. Even when you watch the film at half speed, there is no discernible slowdown, much less a stop. Second, several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before the head explosion, but Hill did not start to move toward the limousine until after the head explosion. Officer Hargis, for example, said he was hit with blood and brain spray after the limo stopped.

Dr. Luis Alvarez detected a 4-mph slowdown in Z295-304, i.e., in 10 frames/546 milliseconds. Obviously, this event is undiscernible when you view the Zapruder film at normal speed, which is the speed at which witnesses viewed the shooting. In fact, the slowdown happens so quickly that no one noticed it until Alvarez detected it through careful frame-by-frame analysis of the film. This cannot be the stop or marked slowdown described by 40-plus witnesses.

Furthermore, speaking of the Muchmore film, in that film the limousine's brake lights come on for nine frames during the time period corresponding to Z311-319, but this event is not seen in those Zapruder frames, not to mention the fact that several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before JFK's head exploded.



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 Even DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis waffled about whether the JFK Limo came to a Stop or not. I believe he finally settled on a "rolling stop" answer to this question. Anyway you slice it, SA Greer should have immediately Floored the accelerator and zig-zagged the Limo down Elm St. Instead, Greer allegedly does a "rolling stop" and then steers the Limo "straight-assa-string" down Elm St. On top of all of that, SA Greer or anyone else connected to the SS was ever fired. 
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You can't be serious. First off, there is no "noticeable" stop or slowdown in the Zapruder film. Even when you watch the film at half speed, there is no discernible slowdown, much less a stop. Second, several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before the head explosion, but Hill did not start to move toward the limousine until after the head explosion. Officer Hargis, for example, said he was hit with blood and brain spray after the limo stopped.

Dr. Luis Alvarez detected a 4-mph slowdown in Z295-304, i.e., in 10 frames/546 milliseconds. Obviously, this event is undiscernible when you view the Zapruder film at normal speed, which is the speed at which witnesses viewed the shooting. In fact, the slowdown happens so quickly that no one noticed it until Alvarez detected it through careful frame-by-frame analysis of the film. This cannot be the stop or marked slowdown described by 40-plus witnesses.

Furthermore, speaking of the Muchmore film, in that film the limousine's brake lights come on for nine frames during the time period corresponding to Z311-319, but this event is not seen in those Zapruder frames, not to mention the fact that several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before JFK's head exploded.

Maybe watch the films again. You do not need to have anyone tell you anything. You do not need to have Louis Alvarez or any of these people tell you what is obvious to the naked eye. You are seeing the assassination the same way it was seen by the eyewitnesses on 11/22/63. It is obvious in the Zapruder, Muchmore, and Nix films that the car slowed during the headshot sequence. All three films show the same reaction.