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Re: The Huge Gates Theory
« Reply #42 on: Today at 12:09:50 AM »
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(a 10-25-92 interview with Hal Verb, as recounted by Verb in the 9-30-94 JFK Resource Group Newsletter) "...I recalled an interview I had with Marilyn Sitzman, an eyewitness to the JFK assassination who was standing with Abraham Zapruder (in fact, holding him so that he wouldn't fall as he was filming the motorcade). She and I were standing right near the pedestal which both she and Zapruder stood upon. It was the last day of the Dallas "ASK" conference. Sitzman told me she knew a lot about guns and weapons having grown up with them. She told me the shot that killed the President came from behind and that the gunman must've used a silencer (her emphasis). She said that if it were not a silencer the shot would have knocked down both of them because of where they were so precariously standing. She then told me of the great "reverberation" that was felt. I showed her a map of the Dealey Plaza area (she signed it) and she pointed to the area when she thought the shot was fired from. Curiously enough, it was not from the alleged and traditionally targeted picket fence area but from a location in the direction of the north pergola. This would be to the left of and behind where Charles Hester was standing."

From Pat Speer's website.

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Re: The Huge Gates Theory
« Reply #43 on: Today at 05:49:29 AM »
    I have spotted a BLACK OBJECT sitting ATOP the (R) HUGE GATE. It is directly above the (R) Huge Gate and sits tightly between the point where the Texas School Book Depository ends and the (R) Huge Gate begins. It looks to be about the size of a home stereo speaker and is entirely Black. I have asked several other long term JFK Assassination researchers as to the identity/purpose of this object. Nobody positively knows what it is or what it is doing there. It's been speculated that this might be a "sign" of some kind, but nobody knows what that alleged sign might be for. You could Not see this possible sign if you were traveling either direction on the Elm St Extension. It would Not be within your field of vision. Plus, there appears to be absolutely No Printing or differing color anywhere on it. Based on the images we see of it, it is Completely Black. For the time being, I am referring to this object as "The Black Box".
   Being that the Black Box is situated down the Elm St Extension, there are few images showing it, and even these images only show portions of it. I believe the Best view of this object can be seen on this Forum's, "PHOTO RESEARCH GALLERY". It is on "KIMBROUGH PHOTO #7". If anyone knows the possible purpose of this "Black Box", please let me know. Whatever that Black Box is, it looks entirely out of place.

Really Royell? We already had this conversation over a year ago and presented as visual proof the following infographic!, there is no black box, the object is essentially flat as confirmed by the front on shot and the resulting shadow, and the sign is clearly supported by a pair of brackets. The sign has been specifically constructed to fit the contours of the building.



On the left side of the building, behind the huge gates there is an additional two overhead doors which would have been used for loading and unloading.





Now one aspect I find a little odd is that the "sign" was mounted very high, so who was it for? The high gates indicate that the height was to accommodate taller trucks like a semi, but as seen in the above aerial shot, the amount of manoeuvring space within is quite limited? Also of interest is the front of the sign is facing down the street which means it wouldn't be seen by delivery trucks coming directly off Houston?



The TSBD around 1910 shows that the end building beyond the depository was already built but what isn't clear is the huge gates and the structure directly behind which is the area seen in the aerial shot above with the black roof?



An interesting titbit I just noticed is the front lattice on the bottom floor windows were added after 1910 and before 1963, and removed sometime thereafter?



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Re: The Huge Gates Theory
« Reply #44 on: Today at 07:05:33 AM »
Really Royell? We already had this conversation over a year ago and presented as visual proof the following infographic!, there is no black box, the object is essentially flat as confirmed by the front on shot and the resulting shadow, and the sign is clearly supported by a pair of brackets. The sign has been specifically constructed to fit the contours of the building.



On the left side of the building, behind the huge gates there is an additional two overhead doors which would have been used for loading and unloading.





Now one aspect I find a little odd is that the "sign" was mounted very high, so who was it for? The high gates indicate that the height was to accommodate taller trucks like a semi, but as seen in the above aerial shot, the amount of manoeuvring space within is quite limited? Also of interest is the front of the sign is facing down the street which means it wouldn't be seen by delivery trucks coming directly off Houston?



The TSBD around 1910 shows that the end building beyond the depository was already built but what isn't clear is the huge gates and the structure directly behind which is the area seen in the aerial shot above with the black roof?



An interesting titbit I just noticed is the front lattice on the bottom floor windows were added after 1910 and before 1963, and removed sometime thereafter?



JohnM

   JOHN - Thanks for stepping forward and confirming our having previously conferred on what I call the Black Box. I routinely get called a liar and such with respect to my asking for the respected opinion of others, but even in the face of this, you can always count on my being the soul of discretion.
              As I said when we talked about this previously, in my opinion the position of this alleged "sign" is automatically a DQ. Nobody can see it, and there is nothing around there warranting a sign.
              I recently ran across a Sixth Floor presentation detailing the massive construction "work" that needed to be done to the TSBD, along with the rebuilding of the Huge Gates, Grocery Warehouse, and loading dock for Oliver Stone's "JFK" (1991) movie. The reconstructed area above the (R) Huge Gate did Not include this "Black Box". And per this Sixth Floor presentation, Oliver Stone was extremely detail oriented with respect to this massive reconstruction work.   

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Re: The Huge Gates Theory
« Reply #45 on: Today at 01:01:43 PM »
Not that I care, but in the best photos, including the one from the Sixth Floor Museum, https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/photograph-of-the-exterior-of-the-texas-school-book-depository-3/, it definitely doesn't look like a flat sign. It looks like a "box." That would seemingly be a very odd place for a sign, but not for an electrical box or an alien craft from another dimension of some sort.

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Re: The Huge Gates Theory
« Reply #46 on: Today at 02:49:30 PM »
Not that I care, but in the best photos, including the one from the Sixth Floor Museum, https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/photograph-of-the-exterior-of-the-texas-school-book-depository-3/, it definitely doesn't look like a flat sign. It looks like a "box." That would seemingly be a very odd place for a sign, but not for an electrical box or an alien craft from another dimension of some sort.

The first photo I posted was a crop from a higher definition of the one you linked to! So....
Secondly, why would an electrical box be mounted at a right angle instead of flush against the wall? and on the second floor??
Thirdly, why would the lower section be cut out to fit over the facia?
Fourthly, why is the "front on" photo showing an electrical box with no depth?
And finally, in the following higher res copy of the image, as opposed to the photo in your link, the cable you claim leads to the electrical box, passes by right in front and is not seen in any other hi-res photo.











BTW, establishing a box from a virtually shadowless object in a two dimensional photo is not a good technique, just saying.

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Re: The Huge Gates Theory
« Reply #47 on: Today at 04:11:16 PM »
I thought maybe it had something to do with the street lights, but it's clear from the photos that the fascia extends on the other side of it and that it is a Flat Something. What I thought was the front of a box is in fact the extension of the fascia. I'm now inclined to agree with Royell that it's a flat screen LCD monitor by which a conspirator stationed inside the TSBD could monitor and coordinate the activities of the Bogus One Glove Haygood, the Fake Lovelady and Shelley, the Getaway Car, and the other participants and accoutrements of the conspiracy. If that works for everyone, let's just leave it there.