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The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 30, 2025, 05:00:07 PM ---Why did they have to be "wide open".
What's professional about having two gigantic gates "wide open".
How does that address the topic of this thread.
Why can't the gates be simply in the closed position but unlocked?
Why are your professional conspirators advertising to the world where their point of entry and exit is?
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The Huge Gates open Inward. They were Not hanging outward for everyone to see. Everyone's eyes were trained down Houston St and Elm St in order to see the JFK Motorcade. People were Not looking down the Elm St Ext in anticipation of the JFK Motorcade arrival. Personally, I believe having those gates being open was Oswald's responsibility. That, and preparing the sniper's nest. Then he went to the 2nd floor lunchroom as instructed. They probably had a man on those gates to prevent a good samaritan from locking them shut.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 30, 2025, 06:06:23 PM --- The Huge Gates open Inward. They were Not hanging outward for everyone to see. Everyone's eyes were trained down Houston St and Elm St in order to see the JFK Motorcade. People were Not looking down the Elm St Ext in anticipation of the JFK Motorcade arrival. Personally, I believe having those gates being open was Oswald's responsibility. That, and preparing the sniper's nest. Then he went to the 2nd floor lunchroom as instructed. They probably had a man on those gates to prevent a good samaritan from locking them shut.
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:D :D :D
You make it all sound so professional.
Was the guy watching the gates a specially trained gate-watcher?
For the third time, please stop trying to derail this thread and take your Huge Gates nonsense to the thread I created for you because you're too lazy to do it for yourself.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on June 30, 2025, 11:59:26 PM --- :D :D :D
You make it all sound so professional.
Was the guy watching the gates a specially trained gate-watcher?
For the third time, please stop trying to derail this thread and take your Huge Gates nonsense to the thread I created for you because you're too lazy to do it for yourself.
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YOU asked ME several questions. Above, you ask me even another question about the "gate-watcher". I answer your questions and you then get torque'd off. You make no sense. This assassination was a professionally done job. Those Huge Gates being "wide open" was no accident. If you had read the Officer Mooney WC Testimony, you would know that there was a "civilian" on those Huge Gates. Please familiarize yourself with sworn testimony. It will minimize the egg on your face.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on June 30, 2025, 02:58:47 AM ---Maybe it’s not quite as sloppy as it may appear.
If the conspirator shooter IS using the MC rifle that Oswald had been “given”? (For a period of time and taken photo of) then this shooter did a pretty amazing job of scoring a hit on JFK on his FIRST shot which is at Z223-224.
Then in another 4.8 secs after that he got the 313 head kill shot ( an 8”diameter target moving away at 8mph at about 90 yds.) And he did that with irons sights most likely because the scope was misaligned. Imo, that’s NOT an amateur shooter.
Then just to make sure that at least a couple of witness would see the rifle at the 6th floor SE window sticking out the window, the shooter fired a 3rd shot about 2 secs AFTER 313, which was not really aimed , and hit the curb near Tague.
This conspirator shooter probably got into the TSBD with the MC rifle on the late night Thursday, and hid himself on the 7th floor attic space, He came down to the 6th floor at 12:15pm to the SW 6th floor window where he was seen by Arnold Rowland. He saw BR Williams so retreated and hid himself until NRW had left the floor. The shooter then moved to SE window to get a better shot angle.
Why the conspirator shooter did not just leave the rifle in plain view at the SE window? Maybe he thought that would be too obvious and cause suspicion of a set up of Oswald, otherwise I’m not sure.
How this shooter escaped from 6th floor and past Baker and Truly as they were watching Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom, would be to use the west elevator ( instead of Dougherty).
If Dougherty could have used the west elevator and not be seen by Dorothy Garner, Baker, Truly, or Eddie Piper, then so could the shooter.
What was Oswald carrying in the paper bag that was under his armpit and in the cup of his hand? If they had found curtain rods or a roll of blinds in a paper bag several months later, say in the storage room by the front stairs, would anyone have reported that? Given all the other fake documents , destroyed notes, and rearranging SN etc , it’s doubtful.
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If the conspirator shooter IS using the MC rifle that Oswald had been “given”?
I find it very difficult to believe that a professional marksman, contracted to assassinate the most powerful man on the planet would use Oswald's MC to do the job.
I really don't see that happening but that's just my opinion.
then this shooter did a pretty amazing job of scoring a hit on JFK on his FIRST shot which is at Z223-224.
As I've stated, it's my opinion the shooter was aiming for a head shot, ideally the centre of the head.
If that's the case then the first shot (which passed through both JFK and JBC between z222 and z223 IMO) was a miss by a good 8 - 10 inches.
The head shot struck between z312 and z313, some 4.92 (let's call it 5) seconds after the first, non-fatal, shot. It is just a massive stroke of luck that during these 5 seconds nothing happened that could prevent the head shot.
So, IMO, we have a miss then a massive stroke of luck. Not my idea of a professional, military, expert operation.
Then just to make sure that at least a couple of witness would see the rifle at the 6th floor SE window sticking out the window, the shooter fired a 3rd shot about 2 secs AFTER 313, which was not really aimed , and hit the curb near Tague.
I, too, believe the third shot happened after the fatal head shot but I'm totally baffled as to why you would think the third shot was fired to draw attention to the rifle. I really don't get what you're reasoning might be for that. Why would a professional gunman be deliberately trying to give his position away?
The third shot is completely unnecessary and seems to me like it has an element of panic to it. I get the impression it is a wild, hurried shot that misses everything including the limo.
Again, this does not strike me as being particularly professional.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on July 01, 2025, 01:02:32 AM ---[If the sniper used Oswald's Carcano,] then he did a pretty amazing job of scoring a hit on JFK on his FIRST shot which is at Z223-224.
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Oswald's FIRST shot wasn't at z223-z224.
His SECOND shot was, though.
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