New Research on the Tippit Case Points *Away* from Oswald as the Shooter

[Michael Capasse]

... therefore could have made an assumption about the killer touching the door.

  He usually ate eggs in the morning but hated oatmeal.

[Tom Graves]

He usually ate eggs in the morning but hated oatmeal.

You sound as though you're full of beans.

[Michael T. Griffith]

The point I was leading up to (but ignored by the thread's creator) is that just because Jimmy Burt said the killer put his hands on the door doesn't mean it's a fact that the killer indeed placed his hands on the door.

Jimmy Burt also stated that when Tippit pulled up alongside the guy, he (Tippit) leaned over and rolled down the window.  The window was NOT rolled down.  Burt made an assumption about the window and therefore could have made an assumption about the killer touching the door.

Helen Markham also said the man touched the door. In addition, she, too, said the window was rolled down. I quote from her WC testimony.

<<<
Mr. BALL. The police car stopped?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. What about the man? Was he still walking?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The man stopped.
    Mr. BALL. Then what did you see the man do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I saw the man come over to the car very slow, leaned and put his arms just like this, he leaned over in this window and looked in this window.
    Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down.
    Mr. BALL. It was?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Put his arms on the window ledge?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the ledge of the window.
    Mr. BALL. And the policeman was sitting where?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the driver's side.
    Mr. BALL. He was sitting behind the wheel?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Was he alone in the car?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
    Mr. BALL. Then what happened?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I didn't think nothing about it; you know, the police are nice and friendly, and I thought friendly conversation. Well, I looked, and there were cars coming, so I had to wait. Well, in a few minutes this man made--
    Mr. BALL. What did you see the policeman do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. See the policeman? Well, this man, like I told you, put his arms up, leaned over, he just a minute, and he drew back and he stepped back about two steps. Mr. Tippit--
    Mr. BALL. The policeman?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The policeman calmly opened the car door, very slowly, wasn't angry or nothing, he calmly crawled out of this car, and I still just thought a friendly conversation, maybe disturbance in the house, I did not know; well, just as the policeman got. . . .
>>>

One of the officers may have rolled up the window before the car was photographed.

We both know that if those fingerprints had turned out to be Oswald's, you would not be reaching and straining to deny that the killer touched the door.

[Bill Brown]

Helen Markham also said the man touched the door. In addition, she, too, said the window was rolled down. I quote from her WC testimony.

<<<
Mr. BALL. The police car stopped?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. What about the man? Was he still walking?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The man stopped.
    Mr. BALL. Then what did you see the man do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I saw the man come over to the car very slow, leaned and put his arms just like this, he leaned over in this window and looked in this window.
    Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down.
    Mr. BALL. It was?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Put his arms on the window ledge?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the ledge of the window.
    Mr. BALL. And the policeman was sitting where?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. On the driver's side.
    Mr. BALL. He was sitting behind the wheel?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
    Mr. BALL. Was he alone in the car?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
    Mr. BALL. Then what happened?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. Well, I didn't think nothing about it; you know, the police are nice and friendly, and I thought friendly conversation. Well, I looked, and there were cars coming, so I had to wait. Well, in a few minutes this man made--
    Mr. BALL. What did you see the policeman do?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. See the policeman? Well, this man, like I told you, put his arms up, leaned over, he just a minute, and he drew back and he stepped back about two steps. Mr. Tippit--
    Mr. BALL. The policeman?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. The policeman calmly opened the car door, very slowly, wasn't angry or nothing, he calmly crawled out of this car, and I still just thought a friendly conversation, maybe disturbance in the house, I did not know; well, just as the policeman got. . . .
>>>

One of the officers may have rolled up the window before the car was photographed.

We both know that if those fingerprints had turned out to be Oswald's, you would not be reaching and straining to deny that the killer touched the door.

Of course Markham believed the window was down since she had just watched the two men converse; one inside the car and the other standing outside the car.  You really don't understand this?

[Bill Brown]

• Early police reports, plus individual witness testimonies, said the killer was wearing a white shirt. But Oswald was wearing a dark rust-brown shirt, CE 150. . . .

This is incorrect.  Oswald was most definitely wearing a white T-shirt in addition to the brown arrest shirt.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Markham said the window was down but it wasn't. Again: we have the actual photos of the car and they show it was up. The vent was open.



The part where she said the killer placed his arms - not his hands - on the window ledge is conveniently overlooked.

Mrs. MARKHAM. I saw the man come over to the car very slow, leaned and put his arms just like this, he leaned over in this window and looked in this window.
Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down.
Mr. BALL. It was?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. On the ledge of the window.

This is really a microcosm of conspiracy reasoning. This is how they evaluate evidence/information. Someone says "A" and that's it if it fits their beliefs, their conspiracy. Any other evidence, including physical, is ignored. If someone said the car was red but photos say it was blue then the conspiracy response is to ignore the physical evidence or claim the photos are faked. X-rays, Zapruder film, backyard photo. Again and again.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

So we have multiple photos taken at the scene showing the window on the car was up not down and it's still not enough.

You cannot reason with the conspiracy mind. We think if somehow we re-word our answers, select the right phrases, explain it another way, that something will connect. It rarely does.

There are reasonable JFK conspiracy believers - some very smart, smarter than me - and unreasonable believers. It's things like this that distinguish between the two.