Toni Glover

[Royell Storing]

Those who are flat-out guessing, of course, include Toni.

As I re-read my earlier posts on this thread, I am struck by one thing: They are spot on. A tad harsh, perhaps (for which I apologized to Toni in a PM with no response), but otherwise DEAD SPOT ON.

I would venture a guess that, if photos of the scene were not extant, Toni could not even tell you what she was wearing. No way, Jose. What was I wearing on the day of the JFKA, the day I proposed to my wife, the day some punk rearended my GTO at 40 mph, or the day I was admitted to the bar? I have NO idea, not the faintest recollection. Maybe I was wearing my favorite blue coat! Yes, I think perhaps I was, on all four occasions.

But now, "Toni's recollection of the limo being out of sight before the first shot" is DEFINITIVE, I tell ya. It "rules out a first shot before Z180," I tell ya. RULES IT OUT, I tell ya.

Toni's memory of the position of the limo and her perception of the first shot are LOCKED IN, I tell ya. In fact, Toni's memory is probably better than Zapruder's film!

This is simply absurd. Can you really not see this? The recollections of a 73-year-old woman of roughly ten seconds of her life at age 11 are being used to prop up your conspiracy theories. What, hello? And said woman "just happens" do be publishing a book that would have minimal publishing or sales prospects if the theme were simply "Someone pointed out to me years later that I'm the kid in a blue coat standing on a pedestal in front of the TSBD, but I have only the vaguest recollection of being there."

   An Eyewitness "Remembering" what they saw, is much different than someone making a "Guess" or an "Educated GUESS".  Put yourself in the jury box.

[Tom Graves]

An Eyewitness "Remembering" what they saw, is much different than someone making a "Guess" or an "Educated GUESS".  Put yourself in the jury box.

Especially when it's from someone who was eleven years old sixty-two years ago and it seems to support your tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory!!!

[Royell Storing]

  I am interested in Euins due to his timeline. What he did or did Not see is Not of interest to me.  The Martin Film showing Euins riding on the rear of Harkness 3 Wheel Motorcycle also shows the Huge Gates being ajar in the background. DPD Officer Luke Mooney CLOSED those "Wide Open" Huge Gates when he and 2 other Cops went through them and then entered the TSBD 1st Floor from that side of the building. Officer Mooney also documents/timestamps the Electricity going out inside the TSBD as he attempted to take the feight elevator up to the 6th Floor. A JFK Assassination Eyewitness can hold far more value than that which is obvious. The Timelines of eyewitnesses can be like dominoes.

[Tom Graves]

Apparently it has to do with the first shot, i.e., when it took place. Her line of sight down Elm and her account of when she heard the first shot shows that it wasn't so early, that it was later. The limo was further down Elm. That first shot was not at circa Z-150 or earlier.

So the timing for, among other things, the single bullet, doesn't work. The first and second shots were closer together: meaning two shooters. I think that's where this is going.

Shows, or suggests?

[Bill Brown]

Forget all the above. I've done a 180. What Toni Glover needs is an agent. That would be me. We're flushing "Girl in Blue." That title is going nowhere fast. It's now "Crime Kid: How My 11-Year-Old Brain Solved the Murder of JFK." Nice, yes? A sequel, "Amos Lee Euins: Punk Liar," is in the works (that's just a tentative title - we'll bounce it off a couple of focus groups). Forget the freebie interviews, Sixth Floor Museum and others. All requests to interview Ms. Glover now go through me, and they won't be free. We're working with the City of Dallas and Oliver Stone to have the Glover Pedestal of Freedom designated a National Historical Site with a highly realistic AI robot Toni on top. That's all the Glover news for now, but stay tuned. Moving on to finalizing the agency contract with Dentist Don and Edna, but they're tough customers. Nobody - NOBODY - whacks me down to a 3% fee, Dentist Don, as you're about to learn.

   You are doing this Forum a disservice. Here we have an actual 11/22/63 eyewitness that is actively participating in a discussion on this Forum, and what do you do? You attack her. This is why actively instrumental figures in the JFK Assassination such as Gary Mack bailed out around here. Discussion is a very good thing. Discussion involving individual(s) that were actually eyewitnesses to the assassination is invaluable. Put away the meat cleaver and if necessary employ a gag. You are not cute, and not helping solve this case.

Royell, on this, we agree.  Good post.

[Zeon Mason]

Ok, NOW I remember Toni Glover. THAT is a great relief because the alternative was that I had shifted into another timeline as I have expedienced before things like the Thinking Man sculpture was never so twisted as it is in the timeline from 2015 till now.

Funny though I don’t remember Lance being in this thread so he very well may be a time traveler himself which explains the superior intellect phenomenon he experiences when reading JFKA posts in our timeline. 

It’s perfectly ok with me if Toni wants to weigh in no matter how many years it’s been because this case is very perplexing and I for one am STILL trying to resolve some issues after all these years.

[Tom Graves]

With all due respect to the Sixth Floor Museum, to its Oral History Project, and to the people who participate, I think it's all almost entirely bogus. I don't care HOW impactful someone thinks the JFKA was, there is NO WAY memories 30, 40, 50, 60 years later can be trusted. I could regale the Sixth Floor Museum with plausible-sounding "memories" of the JFKA, but all I'm at least pretty sure I remember is that I was eating lunch in the outside lunch area at Alice Vail Junior High in Tucson. Who told us, who I was with, what I was wearing, what I was eating, how I and others reacted, what we were doing 5 minutes before and 5 minutes after - FORGET ABOUT IT. These characters who come out of the woodwork years after the fact are simply a nuisance. I don't care if what they say is LN-supportive or CT-supportive, it just confuses the issue and should be ignored.

You're actually right about something for a change, Fancy Pants Rants.

Memories are incredibly unreliable.

Take, for example, Toni Glover's mistakenly claiming that the limo was far down Elm Street when Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot rang out, Mary Woodward's mistakenly claiming that the first shot (which sounded like a backfire to her) occurred after JFK and Jackie had waved to her and her three colleagues (starting around Z-175), and Karen Westbrook's mistakenly saying Stella Mae Jacob, Glorua Jeanne Holt, and Sharon Simmons in the Zapruder film were "Uhh, Carol Reed?, Gloria Calvery, and me!!!" to smilin' 'n noddin' Stephen Fagin at The Sixth Floor Museum.

LOL!